Hello : Kingdom of Shambala

[Krishnacharya1]

http://www.karmapa.org/karmapa_org_redesign/news/news_june_1.htm


H.H. receiving important initiations


The Karmapa ...>snip>...


(the authorities....)... would not give permission
for Chobgye Trichen Rinpoche to come to Sikkim. It is only now after almost two
centuries that this Tantra transmission is being returned to the Kagyu lineage.


H.H. the 17th Karmapa originally wanted to receive the Marpa Tantras from the
great Sakya Lama, Chobgye Trichen Rinpoche. However, he is now quite old and
his health does not permit him to give long initiations. Therefore, Karmapa
requested to receive them from another prominent Sakya lama, Ludhing Khenchen
Rinpoche. His Holiness the 17th Karmapa asked that the Shamarpa obtain the over
forty Marpa Tantras from the Sakya Lama and he would then like to receive them
from Shamar Rinpoche himself. The Shamarpa replied that he would give the first
collection of Jamgon Kongtrul’s Marpa Transmission, the “Kagyu Ngakdzo,”
to the 17th Karmapa which Shamar Rinpoche had received twice from The 16th
Karmapa and to save time they would receive the other forty Tantras together.


As a matter of fact, the Sakyas keep the Tantric precepts and discipline pure
and carefully. Therefore, Shamar Rinpoche said to Karmapa, “You are young, so
you should do a retreat on each of these Tantras and later pass the
transmission to Kagyu lamas.”



Geir : The Tantras are in the Tantra-collection called the Gyu De Kun Tus. It
is not that which is given by Ludhing Rinpoche (above), which is from India,
being that given to him by Chobgye himself. The only direct line of the
teaching from Tibet is - as per the biography of Phende Kenchen below - from
two masters only : Chobgye Trichen - now too old to give it any more - and/or
Phende Kenchen who is still just able to do so. I send his biography below for
reference so that ll those concerend by the saving of the Kagyu tradition (that
Karmapa is anxious about in the article above) and beyond that, of Tantric
Tibetan Buddhism in general, (that also must, just like the Karmapa receive all
these Tantras as well to preserve it's lineages too) can read it so as to take
the dispositions they need to make the requests for the teachings they require
and do so quickly before Phende Kenchen the most learned of all Tibetan lamas
dies. This can be amatter of very few years now so they should make utmost
haste as Milarepa said : "Hurry slowly". Which is to say : "Hurry, but be
careful to not be too hasty for sloppiness and ascertain exactly what the goal
is before, like the cat, jumping at one's obective". Haste is waste and one
should not embark on a one year teaching that will only be given once in this
world again, without having properly weighed all the aspects of the material
side as well as one's own motivation to sit a whole year at the feet of Tibetan
Buddhism's greatest lama still alive and still teaching today. Receiving only
half the teaching and pulling out because of ill-preparation (this will be made
to be costly for people because this will be very detrimaental to them and bad
also for the other particiapants' morale. The full teaching will be required to
be paid fully first.) will not be an option in this most important of
teachings. All the teachings are contained within this one so that thos is the
most important teaching of Tibetan Buddhism today. I want this to be very clear
so that people don't misunderstand the scope of this teachings nor
underestimate the need for it, in today's Buddhism that cannot survive without
it because it will have lost all it's lineages without exception.

Thank you. Keep me informed of your intentions reagrding the attending of these
teachings. I'll collect all requests for it, keep the posts and adress them to
the guru when there are enough of them. The hall will be for one thousand
people and also the necessary funds will have to be gathered to organize it. In
Tibet, most important teachings in our Ngorpa school, such as this one, were
requested by giving pure gold.

To Buddhists, the teachings are more important than even one's own life. As
this teaching indeed, is one of these most important teachings. It is, in fact,
the most important teaching, as it includes all others in it ! Hurry slowly.
You have time but this is your last chance now. Hurry. But do the right thing.

The relevant passage here below is this one : >"The Collection of all the
Tantras (Gyu De Kun tus): a comprehensive collection
of all the great initiations with their mandalas and mandala rituals, a rare
teachung of which very few possess the lineage.>

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His Eminence Ngor Ewam Phende Rinpoche
A Short Biography
(A translation from the French original by R.M.L. Samuel)


His Eminence Phende Rinpoche was born early in the year of the Water bird, 1934
into a family of tantric practitioners (ngakpas) in the Tharlam district of the
Gaba region of Kham, Eastern Tibet. Early on the great sage Jamgon Ngawang Lepa
whose Tharlam Monastery lay close to the child's birthplace recognised in him
the signs of a Tulku. But he was two or three years of age when officially
recognised as the reincarnation of Ngor Phende Khenchen Jamyang Kunzang Thupden
Chokyi Gyaltsen; this by the two respective head lamas of Sakya Monastery's
Dolma (Kyabgon Kunga Rinchen) and Phuntsok (Dagchen Ngawang Thotup Wangchuk)
palaces, who after praying at length to the powerful Sakya protectors had made
very precise prophesies as to the family and (re) birth-place of this
reincarnation lineage which goes back to the great Indian Siddha Birwapa. At
the time of his birth auspicious signs had manifested in the sky, and his body
bore certain physical features of this line such as the markings of a tiger
skin.


Thus recognised, the young Phende Rinpoche was given a careful education and a
large number of profound teachings by his first root-guru Jamgon Ngawang Legpa
who was renowned throughout Tibet for his wisdom and realisation. In this way
he received at an early age the profound Lamdre Lobshey teachings (The Path and
its Result). Later he was to receive from him the Lam Dre Tsog Shey, and on a
number of occasions the great initiations of Hevajra, the seven mandalas of the
Ngor tradition, Naro Khachoma, Vajrabhairava, the Guardian-Protectors, the
Protections of Birwapa, and others along with a large number of commentaries.
With his uncle and teacher Ngawang Rinchen, head preceptor at Tharlam Monastery
he studied and memorised all the ritual texts. Hence by seven years of age he
knew by heart the mandala rituals of Hevajra, the nine-deity Amitayus,
Vairochana, Maitreya Buddha, Vajra-akshobya etc. At this age also he was
enthroned and had to leave the family home. There then followed for him a
period of study and intensive practice.


At nine years of age he received from his guru the vows of an accomplished lay
disciple, and a few months later his novitiate vows; also a number of
initiations from Phende Khen Rinpoche Ngawang Khedrup Gyamtso, a perfectly
accomplished and very saintly Lama who thus became his second Root-Guru. There
next ensued for the young Tulku a period of retreat lasting several years
during which he accomplished the retreats of Bhutadamara, Kunrik Vairochana,
Amitayus, White Tara, and the Lords of the Three Families.


He then received from Phende Khen Rinpoche the monunemtal teaching known as
"The Collection of all the Tantras (Gyu De Kun tus): a comprehensive collection
of all the great initiations with their mandalas and mandala rituals, a rare
teachung of which very few possess the lineage. This instruction lasted three
years during which he nonetheless continued in the pursuit of his studies. He
received from the Grand Abbot Ngaga of Jyekundo the eighteen great
philosophical treatises of six different categories, studied according to
Sakyapa custom and passed all the examinations brilliantly. He likewise
received from this source teaching on many other tantric texts, such as "The
General Catalogue of the Tantras", the Tag pa Nyi (The Two Examinations") etc.
Later he completed his astrological studies, studying all of the principal
texts and was finally able to compose the calendar of a full year which he
posted on the door of the temple at Jyekundo for the benefit of all. He also
studied and mastered the different types of physical yoga and related
activities. And he received partly from Lama Ngaga and partly from Phende Khen
Rinpoche the complete collection of initiations and sadhanas known as the Drup
Thab Kuntu compiled by Jamyang Khyentse Wangpo and completed by his student
Loter Wangpo.


After this five year period of study and practice at Jyekundo monastery he
began a new period of retreat with the retreat of Naro Khachoma, of whom he
received numerous signs. He was also fully successful in accomplishing the
Pho'wa practice of transference of consciousness. After this he accomplished
the retreat of Mahakala whose manifest and certain protection accompanied him
in all of the many dangers he would meet on the road, with the Chinese, and in
many events of his life. On completion of this retreat, as the 21 Ngor
monasteries of the Gaba region had long been asking him to do, he undertook to
visit them all. All of these monasteries and the neighbouring country-side were
under a rule and laws established by the great Palden Tcheu Tchiong, the first
Tibetan of H.E. Phende Rinpoche's reincarnation lineage. Thus it naturally fell
to him to check the respect in which these rules and laws were held. He began
with the monastery of Tharlam where he was welcomed with great ceremony, then
toured the other 20 monasteries giving numerous initiations and teachings. It
was only at the end of this long period of travelling that he at last undertook
for the first time the lengthy journey to his monastery of Ngor Ewam Choden,
situated in the Tsang region of Tibet itself, lying more than three month's
journey from Kham. He was accompanied on this journey by the Venerable Khen
Chen Nwawang Khedrup Gyamtso and a numerous following. He was welcomed on his
arrival by the four "Ladrangs" (Houses of Ngor). Then began preparations for
his occupancy of the throne of Ngor when his turn should come. The throne was
occupied for three consecutive years by the head of one Ladrang, then came the
turn of the head of another Ladrang, and so on for the four Ladrangs, each of
their turns thus recurring every twelve years. During his three year occupation
of the throne the Lama had to teach the Lam Dre annually and many other
teachings besides. Equally he had to administer the monks of all the affiliated
monasteries who could only receive ordination by going to the seat of Ngor Ewam
Choden. And when the Lama had held the throne of Ngor in this way for three
years he was given the title of Khenpo, signifying Abbot.


Thus the young Phende Rinpoche had to recite from memory before a great
assembly of monks the four treatises as required by the rule. Then throughout a
full year he had to preside over all the assemblies devoted to recitation of
all the great mandala rituals in usage at Ngor, participating in the
preparation of mandalas, establishing the measures, casting the coloured
powders etc. During his stay at Ngor he received from the very holy and
illustrious Khenchen Tampa Rinpoche of the Khangsar Ladrang a large number of
initiations and teachings, such as the initiations of the seven mandalas of
Ngor, the common and uncommon cycles of the three Reds, the initiation of White
Mahakala, Vajrakilaya (Tele and Mele), Naro Khachoma, each of the protectors of
the eight-fold Mahakala cycle, Hevajra, Vajrabhairava, etc.


These comprehensive teachings lasted several months and the great Tampa
Rinpoche thus became his third Root Guru. Then, and from this time from
Khenchen Ngawang Khedrup who had meanwhile become the throne-holder and thus
seated on the red throne of the great Ngorchen Dorje Chang Kunga Zangpo, he
received the Lam Dre Tsog Shey teachings, also the vows of a fully ordained
monk (gelong), and further numerous initiations. Afterwards he himself gave a
great number of initiations at Ngor. At this time be began an eighteen month
Hevajra retreat followed by a retreat of the three Reds, above all Kurukulle of
whom he also obtained numerous signs. At the end of this first stay at Ngor,
which lasted over four years, he left again for Kham where he remained for
several years alternating studies at the monastery of Jyekundo with retreats at
the Dzuphu Ladrang. Then on the pressing invitation of the Ngor monasteries in
several regions of Kham he undertook yet another long journey leading to the
Nangchen region of Dema, then to Derge where at the monastery of Gonchen for
approximately a month he conducted the great ritual of Hevajra and the Torma
ritual of Vajrabhairava, reuniting seven branch monasteries into one.


As relations with the Chinese became ever more tense and the situation at Derge
deteriorated dangerously, Rinpoche continued on his way to Konjo, then to Gaba.
During the course of this lengthy circuit he had accepted invitations from more
than sixty monasteries and given an incalculable number of initiations and
teachings. Back in Gaba, the Chinese becoming menacing, he decided to flee from
Kham making a wide detour through the extensive deserts of the Northern Plains
(Chang Thang). Thus during 1957-58 he arrived at Ngor where, the situation only
worsening, he decided to flee to India accompanied by his mother, his tutor
uncle, and some twenty servants. By chance his party met up with that
accompanying His Holiness Sakya Trizin who was likewise fleeing to India. In
1959 they simultaneously arrived in Sikhim. Here he met Kyentse Rinpoche
Jamyang Chokyi Lodro and received from H.H. Sakya Trizin the great initiation
of Chakrasamvara. He then went to Mussourie where he often met His Holiness the
Dalai Lama who had recently arrived there.


During his ten year stay in India he succeeded in re-establishing at Kamrao the
Jyekundo monastery with refugee monks, while a certain number of Ngor
monasteries were likewise reconstituted with great difficulty. During these ten
years he repeatedly gave many initiations and teachings whilst continuing his
own daily practice without interruption.


Taking note of the growing interest of Westerners in Buddhism and being invited
to Great Britain by the Samye Ling Tibetan Centre in Scotland, he arrived there
in 1969 and remained teaching there for several months. Then having decided on
the support of a consort, the mudra possessed of the charactaristics and
learned in the Tantras as the Path to Awakening , he thus repeatedly prayed to
Mahakala. Thus he met at Cambridge a young French woman who was to become his
wife Jamyang Khandro, who possessed all the qualities of faith and respect for
the Dharma and who was moreover already conversant with the Tibetan language
and script. Settling in France with the idea of founding a centre there, he
succeeded a few years later in 1974 in establishing Ngor Ewam Phende Ling in
Normandy with the help of his disciples . Here he has since given numerous
profound teachings including the complete Lam Dre; numerous initiations such as
those of Hevajra, Vajrayogini, Bhutadamara, the Protectors, the Wealth Deities,
Avalokitesvara, Tara, Vajrasattva, Manjusri, and Sakya Pandita; and numerous
explanations on practice, on the tantric root vows, the Noble Discourses of
Sakya Pandita (Leg she), the lives of the Mahasiddhas, and others besides.
Meanwhile three sons were born to him, Jamyang Nyima in 1972, Jigme Dorje in
1973, and Jampal Yeshe in 1981. All three have been recognised as Tulkus.


His Eminence Phende Rinpoche was later able with the help of his disciples to
establish two additional centres in France: Ngor Ewam Kunzang Ling in Paris,
and Ngor Ewam Cho Ling at Poitiers. He now travels regularly to India; and to
Taiwan where he has established two centres, one in Taipei and the other in
Tainan. He hopes, with the help of his disciples there and in France, to be in
a position to provide regular help to all the Sakyapa monasteries in India.
With the support of his disciples, principally those from Taiwan, he has
already been able to establish his main seat of Phende Ladrang in the head
monastery of Ngor Ewam Choden at Manduwala in North West India.


Subsidiary notes on the Tradition. The Ngor Ewam Choden monastery, of which His
Eminence Phende Rinpoche was thus recognised as one of the heads of one of the
four lama houses or "Ladrangs" directing this monastery, is the widely famed
mother monastery at the head of hundreds of affiliated houses throughout Tibet
collectively constituting the Ngor branch of the Sakyapa School, one of the
four great schools of Tibetan Buddhism. The Sakyapa School consists of three
branches: Sakya, Ngorpa, and Tsarpa, whose teachings are uniform but whose
ritual, monastic tradition, and administration vary. The Sakyapa School is
characterised in its history by a very large number of lamas learned in the
ocean of Sutras and Tantras as well as by realised sages among whom the
illustrious Sakya Pandita was alone among all Tibetan lamas in possessing the
thirty-two physical marks and eighty characteristic qualities of the fully
enlightened Buddhas, besides other sages as well. This Sakyapa School is
directed overall by His Holiness Sakya Trizin, who is resident in India.


"May the lotus-seat of the Lama, wealth of the Dharma, flourish! May holy
beings, holders of the Dharma, abound! May the wealth and success of the Dharma
benefactors prosper! And long may the Holy Dharma abide!"


LONG-LIFE PRAYERS


1. You, the great Master Kunga Zangpo, are the holder of the doctrine of the
holy Sakyapas, incarnations of Manjushri; you who are the dharma-regent of the
distant tradition, Chokyi Gyamtso, long may you remain here. (This prayer was
composed by Jamyang Chokyi Lodro, having been requested by Tamdrin Gonpo).


2. THE ROLLING THUNDER OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENT OF IMMORTALITY You, Manjushri who
embodies the primordial wisdom of the Buddhas, you are the regent seated on the
throne of temporal and spiritual rule of Kunga Zangpo who was predicted by the
Buddha; Master of the ocean of the Bodhisattvas, long may you live! Lord among
sages, you are accomplished in hearing, thinking and meditating; you flawlessly
maintain the three vows, possessing a great wave of Bodhicitta; Vajradhara,
long may you remain! Through the blessing of this prayer may your supreme lotus
feet be firm as vajras. May the divine activity of your three secrets be
indestructable, and may the doctrine of E-wam spread. (This prayer was composed
by the learned abbot Khyenrab Chokyi Ozer).


3. You Manjushri, great treasure of the knowledge of all Buddhas, like
Vajradhara Kunga Zangpo you embody the three secrets; You have completely
mastered the Buddha's doctrines of sutra and tantra; Chokyi Gyamtso, long may
you remain. (This prayer was composed by H.E. Phende Rinpoche himself on
request by his students at Ewam Phende Ling).

[Kalachakrapa]

Making an impression on ARBT. Expressing something versus not doing so.

People have the concept of ARBT being an exchange place but give up their
credibilty and their cool to the constant badgering banter here that creates a
mud-filled discussion.

I, for my part, don't see that.

I see it as a space of reverberation of Buddhism that is more like a billboard
that refelcts thoughts at pne period and time.

It's thus a declaration of thought such as a propaganda-art display such as
Andy Warhol or others did in the '60s.

The problem is that people prefer to chatter, because their grounding in
Buddhism, such as the claimed-to-be deabting and bantering here, is weak, and
they have nothing - of interest - to say on ARBT, and thus they revert to this
talking with others, as a means of crutches for themselves, not being able to
post something on their own, and not being of interest to anyone as for
themselves.

Being uninteresting persobnalities is what creates this horrible background-din
here on ARBT, of these gossipping old-lady-types that just have nothing to say
and sit around like hens in a roost all day,, just cackling away like old
ladies at tea.

Talking about the kids and grand-kids. Sheesh ! I never saw a more senile group
of idiots than this coop here when I came and the terrible thing is that even
when bombarded these things contiune. Old hags !

Being totally uninteresting, these people just keep on repeating their banters
like robotic parrot-like mùachines, repeating their answering mechanisms over
and over again.

No point of interest exists within their continuum, being totally ignorant of
Buddhism, all of them.

[Kun Tu Ru]

From: "Evelyn Ruut"

Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:42:40 GMT

Subject: Re: Hello : Kingdom of Shambala

The mystery is solved. Jana Dorje is another sock puppet for Geir Smith.

[Kun Tu Ru]

Tantrism is the path followed by all the Buddhas of the three times to attain
fully realized Enlightenment.

The West doesn't have Tantrism and the philosophers of Western culture aren't
enlightened.

That's the difference between East and West.

[Peter Bergwaldheimhausen]

Post by Kun Tu Ru
Tantrism is the path followed by all the Buddhas of the three times to attain
fully realized Enlightenment.
The West doesn't have Tantrism and the philosophers of Western culture aren't
enlightened.

We don't need it, we have Jesus.

[Jana Dorje]

http://tinyurl.com/3l5c5 The Karmapa I link.
http://tinyurl.com/4hjv7 The Karmapa II link
http://tinyurl.com/5fkx6 Phende Kenchen site link
http://tinyurl.com/5v3hm Photo of the temple and of my house

People think I'm an illiterate, a push-over (the link above doesn't leave them
the leisure to push others around though.... and moderates their
impulsivenesses ! Thanked be the Karmapas one and two. Otherwise, where would
be the limits to the herdish animalness of people on ARBT ? Bunch of wild
beasts 's what you all are.), a clown, but it's them that are simply push-over,
illiterate clowns.

I, for my part, am more educated than anyone on this NG, I dare believe : I
have translated Tibetan rituals to French and studied Tibetan for five years at
Paris (Dauphine) University (Prof. Stoddard among others), and have also gained
the mastery of six languages of which three fluently as mother tongues.

Two aspects are there to this :

A. The tsunami that's hit ARBT is still spewing backs bits and pieces of
ravaged, saturated, dislocated parts and disembodied, body-parts of the
thread-posts on the NG here, and this, still several days after.

B. The Biblical proportions of the disaster are highlighted here by the people
of illiterate depth and push-over clowns that are here, not even seeing the
rising waters of Tibetan (this *is* the label on the name of this NG after all,
and those who think my place is not *here*, may have another think coming
because if they think that, then *their* place is *not here*.) cultures'
eradicating, and this being observable by the symbolism of the last line-holder
straight from Tibet, the last authentifying authority, my guru Phende Kenchen's
passing away, looming as large as the tsunami drawing into the bay at 700
miles/p/h, these moronic people on ARBT, are the dead of today. All the
Juliarnds, Bevs, Klauses; the Tads, the Evels, they all don't seen through
their tight wide-closed eyes, the Karmapas' desperate cries (see above) for the
teachings that can alone save them, by granting the moral high-ground from the
flowing, in-coming tide of destruction to culture, by the deaths of the older
generation, and that this teaching would nevertheless and thankfully annihilate
the Karmapas' worldly careers, because they would then return to the tradition
of Tibet which is to sacrifice oneself for the preserving of the holy tradition
for the good of others, and for the Buddhists at large and in general, and this
sacrifice is thus done, by going into long, life-long retreats on the
teachings, and which retreats one relinquishes only once every few decades, and
this only so as to empower with initiations the new up-coming generation of
practitionners.

C. The aforementioned five people who have sought to (maybe..depends on them
and how cool they are now) incur the wrath of the Karmapas and other holders of
Tibetan Buddhism, should realize that this is not a drill and that the agenda
for all these events are counting down to blast-off right this minute, and with
each passing second. As the tide of water comes smashing in, when the time of
our death comes, then we can remember the example of this tsunami that served
as a lesson, to teach us that one must not lose one second to do what is right,
TO SAVE ONE'S NECK.

No second to lose : DO IT !

[Kalachakrapa]

From: ***@aol.com (Jana Dorje) -
Date: 16 Jan 2005 19:13:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Hello : Kingdom of Shambala
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:27:03 +0000

Post by Kun Tu Ru
Subject: Re: Hello : Kingdom of Shambala

[about a Tibetan teacher]

Post by Kun Tu Ru
(old to the point of senility now, he
is....)
This statement is offensive and disrespectful.
Does your teacher know that you write like this about other teachers?

--

Post by Kun Tu Ru
Sylva Simsova
I'd like it if you had a little more respect for a very old teacher Sylva.

Using this as a source of quarrel is not ethical from a Buddhist point of view.
Please consult the faqs of ARBT and the netiquette here.


Using an old teacher like Chogye Trichen (that you are careful to hide the
name of so as not to be caught up) is not "Buddhist". I want all to know that
she's using Chogye Trichen for her agenda.


Chogye is indeed, a very old and great teacher of Sakya's Tsar branch, but now
in a wheel-chair and unintelligeable. He is about eighty and had to give up
giving the Gyu De Kun Tus to Karmapa Thaye in France, three years ago. The
respect for old and disabled venerable lamas requires people with provate and
agressive agnedas on ARBT with the sole view of attaining their own personal
powerbase is untenable and unpleasant to see. Tibetans should not be used for
Westerners' powertrips here on ARBT. Please refrain with this or I'll be forced
to contact your teacher or associated Dharma group. I hope no more of this will
happen. As I am the senior poster on ARBT, I feel the need to enforce some
discipline and although it is abhorrent to me, I sometimes have to force my
nature and create the right rule of law and morals on ARBT that some posters go
counter to with agressive and non-respectful towards the Dharma and it's holy
Sangha and teachers such as your post incriminating the relation to Chogye
Trichen of very faithful followers of Lord Buddha. If you have no respect for
the Buddha please refrain from posting to ARBT. Observe netiquette o when
writing here which means respecting others. If you cannot observe netiquette,
which is impossible to follow for some people, please don't write to ARBT.

Post by Kun Tu Ru
Thank you to all.

Newsgroups are also not an extension of the KGB and the former Red Block in
the Soviet Union. You've got to wake up from your Sovietism there. This is the
real world, not your torture-culture from the bad times of the Soviet Union.
Soviets are evil : they're the Evil Empire.

[Kalachakrapa]

Post by Kalachakrapa
Newsgroups are also not an extension of the KGB and the former Red Block in
the Soviet Union. You've got to wake up from your Sovietism there. This is the
real world, not your torture-culture from the bad times of the Soviet Union.
Soviets are evil : they're the Evil Empire.

One has to be careful when coming from the Soviet Empire that one is not in
synch with the traditions of us in the West and the KGB style posting like
Simsova's is not in synch with the Western mentality.

Simsova's shady lurking in KGB style here... just popping up every now and then
for a crack-down-style Soviet-type talk,.... is reminiscient of the Soviets and
the Secret services in type, with it's Slavic, cold and impersonal, commanding
tone, like they were some Komrads or something.

The Kagyus with long, squid-like, octopus arms is very present through this ng,
and what I wrote about the extending of information through this ng throughout
the world is a reality, and can be seen here : when something not pleasing to
the agenda of their interests in the ng andwe then see the intervention of
agent A or agent B in accord with each other and with their superiors and their
orders. This whole system works with their allegiance and faithfulness to their
group. When you get an ex-Soviet at the womputer you enter a Brazil-type world
such as was dear to Monty Python. We'd call that Kafka-type, to make it clear
to Sylva there. I hope she understands the difference between KGB and the free
world. Otherwise I'll have to warn her affiliated groups of Dharma that she's
been in contact with over the years and they'll decide what to do with her.

They, (the "agents" here), operate as moles, just sitting here while they wait
for orders to intervene for their lobby.

That's why the articles I posted about Karmapa wanting to obtain the Gyu De Kun
Tus are important because they prove that all the sects need to be close to
survive in the modern atheistic (and non-believing...Buddhism is arch-atheistic
!) period.

Post by Kalachakrapa

http://tinyurl.com/3l5c5 The Karmapa I link.

This is the Karmapa link that indicates my guru, Phende Kenchen's visit to his
temple to give teachings showing my guru is non-sectarian and open to give
teaching to all schools.

Post by Kalachakrapa

http://tinyurl.com/4hjv7 The Karmapa II link

This is the Karmapa link that shows the second Karmapa seeking the teachings
from my school and that they received something from it but I stress here that
what they received was not the direct lineage from Tibet like my guru's one and
this is not like the India-based lineage that doesn't hail from the same holy
origin as in Tibet. India's lineages are not the same as Tibet's, anywhere.

Post by Kalachakrapa

http://tinyurl.com/5fkx6 Phende Kenchen site link

Phende Kenchen's lineage and teachings in which the Gyu De Kun Tus, represents
the Marpa Tantras that the link # 2 above is after sought by the Karmapas. (see
paragraph # 4 of Phende Kenchen's biography for the teaching I mean by this.)

Post by Kalachakrapa

http://tinyurl.com/5v3hm Photo of the temple and of my house

What to say on the question of this link ?

Me and mine and the group around me. Nothing to say about nothing :
thirty-three years of being in it and it's just about dead now with people so
old around me - I was the youngest of our group early out - that they're
croaking right and left and little boy is flying away - Baby os leaving home -
what's that Beatles song about the child of the house leaving home ? I know
people in my Sangha wanted it to be all for them but that's history and I've
been around here for too long and no one learnt Tibetan or ever listened to the
real research I did and only threw back to the good ol' days together whenever
we met or meet nowadays - and that is not satisfactory because meeting people
who don't look at reality and relate to the past in relating to me are not on
the truth's path. The future is out in Taiwan for me, with our *young* Sangha
there - and meeting up with people who speak Tibetan; and are also ready to
sacrifice their young lives for the Dharma; and to throw all overbaord and
enter upon retreats of the teachings they've received. We don't want to give
the big teachings here in France, because Westerners, and the French in
particular, have no faith of the dimension of entering upon life-retreats;
while in Taiwan we have scores of such.


Sign up for the teachings and we'll organize them : it's a breeze now. It's
easy for young people when they have old people like me to do all for them and
organize things they just have to enter like a supermarket and serve
themselves...but they have to pay the hefty life-price at the exit, because
they get the guarantee of authenticity and top-grade product and tha's what
they pay for and we guarantee, explaining and giving proof it is so that it is
the top of the scale of what exits in the world.

[Gur Ji Gombo]

People of importance in the Buddhist world, such as the Karmapas, are aware of
the short time left to save tradition and they know what is imortnat in the
tradition, meaning what has to be saved to save the essential vital part of it.
For illiterate posters, like here on ARBT, who have no knowledge they wouldn't
know what to take with them if they had to preserve the tradition.

People of importance in Buddhism, know what to ask for in terms of teachings,
from the Masters of the Doctrine, such as Phende Kenchen, my holy, omniscient
guru, whwom precisely it that the Karmapas are making their resquests from.

So, we have the unimportant, ignorant people here on ARBT; on one side, and the
important and literate (or on the verge of becoming literate) people on the
other side, and these people, as indicated in these links, requesting the
teachings from the Master of the Doctrine, my guru, (not to be mistaken for the
lamas in India who don't have the direct lineage from Tibet and make it over as
if it were so...), the Omniscient Buddha, who knows the direct, unbroken
lineage from Tibet and alone in the world today, still possesses it.

Now the rest of the clowns on ARBT who don't even now what the Tantric Path is
and just blow hot air, well, those who want to debate them are doing a fine job
of it, and I leave it up to them to take care of the riff-raff, that are not my
problem, being too far away from my immediate thoughts to even enter my
consciousness.

http://tinyurl.com/3l5c5 The Karmapa I link.

This is the Karmapa link that indicates my guru, Phende Kenchen's visit to his
temple to give teachings showing my guru is non-sectarian and open to give
teaching to all schools.

http://tinyurl.com/4hjv7 The Karmapa II link

This is the Karmapa link that shows the second Karmapa seeking the teachings
from my school and that they received something from it but I stress here that
what they received was not the direct lineage from Tibet like my guru's one and
this is not like the India-based lineage that doesn't hail from the same holy
origin as in Tibet. India's lineages are not the same as Tibet's, anywhere.

http://tinyurl.com/5fkx6 Phende Kenchen site link

Phende Kenchen's lineage and teachings in which the Gyu De Kun Tus, represents
the Marpa Tantras that the link # 2 above is after sought by the Karmapas. (see
paragraph # 4 of Phende Kenchen's biography for the teaching I mean by this.)

http://tinyurl.com/5v3hm Photo of the temple and of my house

What to say on the question of this link ?
Me and mine and the group around me. Nothing to say about nothing :
thirty-three years of being in it and it's just about dead now with people so
old around me - I was the youngest of our group early out - that they're
croaking right and left and little boy is flying away - Baby os leaving home -
what's that Beatles song about the child of the house leaving home ? I know
people in my Sangha wanted it to be all for them but that's history and I've
been around here for too long and no one learnt Tibetan or ever listened to the
real research I did and only threw back to the good ol' days together whenever
we met or meet nowadays - and that is not satisfactory because meeting people
who don't look at reality and relate to the past in relating to me are not on
the truth's path. The future is out in Taiwan for me, with our *young* Sangha
there - and meeting up with people who speak Tibetan; and are also ready to
sacrifice their young lives for the Dharma; and to throw all overbaord and
enter upon retreats of the teachings they've received. We don't want to give
the big teachings here in France, because Westerners, and the French in
particular, have no faith of the dimension of entering upon life-retreats;
while in Taiwan we have scores of such.
Sign up for the teachings and we'll organize them : it's a breeze now. It's
easy for young people when they have old people like me to do all for them and
organize things they just have to enter like a supermarket and serve
themselves...but they have to pay the hefty life-price at the exit, because
they get the guarantee of authenticity and top-grade product and tha's what
they pay for and we guarantee, explaining and giving proof it is so that it is
the top of the scale of what exists in the world

[Gur Ji Gombo]

Bush doesn't have any possibility to finish off the opposition to him from
Shiites in Iran and Iraq because Bush has chosen to support them against
Sadam's past forces that are Sunnite. Bush has enabled a Iran-Iraq Shiite force
that he wants to control but will not be able to do and thus the next big force
in the world will be this one and seeing the (moral) weakness of America today,
and it's exhaustion-weariness, it's (this new force) here to stay and to take
over the whole world. We'll have to see how it plays out, because it won't go
away. Better too, because the Christian intermede since WWII hasn't been all
clear sailing as the West seems to think it has been. The West has had one hell
of a hard time from day one. The West is not predestined to lead the world and
they're unable to do it. The real leaders of the world have always been
outside of the West per se. The West are not natural leaders and they're
natural slaves.

[Gur Ji Gombo]

gurjigombo
I realize that you Chinese Buddhists are all up in the air because with the
Karmapas rushing to save world Buddhism, you're all out in the cold with your
non-Tantric Buddhism.

Karmapa I and II are lunging in a final desperate rush to save their own
tradition and all of Tibetan Buddhism too.

The whole of Buddhism is affected because Tibetan Buddhism is the core of
Buddhism. Like a fire burning a page of paper, the centre burns first and then
the edges. That's why the edges, the peripheral parts of Buddhism, that are
Chinese and Japanese Buddhism are now going up in torches here on ARBT. The
Emperor of China turned the Buddhist official Church of China over to the
Tibetans in the twelfth century; and the head of it today remains, indeed, the
Panchen Lama, the second highest Tibetan Hierarch. The Chinese and Japanese
Buddhisms have never held any sway whatsoever over world Buddhism and it's 1,5
billion Chinese Buddhists. They are just peripheral, bit players of no
importance, with no say as to Buddhist Doctrine, philosophy and belief.
The rushing of the Karmapas are important because they're the heads of sects
that held the Chinese Church's head for thirty years, while my guru, Phende
Kenchen, (whom they are rushing to get these teachings from) hails from the
first Tantric school of Tibet and which school (Sakya-Ngorpa) held the Chinese
Church's head for eighty years. Then, thereafter, the Dalaï-Lama held that
sway, but he didn't head a Tantric school, so that the present rush to save
Buddhism and, most of all, it's Tantric heritage, (which is the deepest of
Buddhist teachings), only concerns the Tantric schools such as the Karmapas
(and our Ngorpa school - but we have the teachings already, so it doesn't
count;)

[Gur Ji Gombo]

gurjigombo
I realize that you Chinese Buddhists are all up in the air because with the
Karmapas rushing to save world Buddhism, you're all out in the cold with your
non-Tantric Buddhism.

Karmapa I and II are lunging in a final desperate rush to save their own
tradition and all of Tibetan Buddhism too.

The whole of Buddhism is affected because Tibetan Buddhism is the core of
Buddhism. Like a fire burning a page of paper, the centre burns first and then
the edges. That's why the edges, the peripheral parts of Buddhism, that are
Chinese and Japanese Buddhism are now going up in torches here on ARBT. The
Emperor of China turned the Buddhist official Church of China over to the
Tibetans in the twelfth century; and the head of it today remains, indeed, the
Panchen Lama, the second highest Tibetan Hierarch. The Chinese and Japanese
Buddhisms have never held any sway whatsoever over world Buddhism and it's 1,5
billion Chinese Buddhists. They are just peripheral, bit players of no
importance, with no say as to Buddhist Doctrine, philosophy and belief.
The rushing of the Karmapas are important because they're the heads of sects
that held the Chinese Church's head for thirty years, while my guru, Phende
Kenchen, (whom they are rushing to get these teachings from) hails from the
first Tantric school of Tibet and which school (Sakya-Ngorpa) held the Chinese
Church's head for eighty years. Then, thereafter, the Dalaï-Lama held that
sway, but he didn't head a Tantric school, so that the present rush to save
Buddhism and, most of all, it's Tantric heritage, (which is the deepest of
Buddhist teachings), only concerns the Tantric schools such as the Karmapas
(and our Ngorpa school - but we have the teachings already, so it doesn't
count;)

http://tinyurl.com/3l5c5 The Karmapa I link.
http://tinyurl.com/4hjv7 The Karmapa II link
http://tinyurl.com/5fkx6 Phende Kenchen site link
http://tinyurl.com/5v3hm Photo of the temple and of my house
http://tinyurl.com/3l5c5 The Karmapa I link.

This is the Karmapa link that indicates my guru, Phende Kenchen's visit to his
temple to give teachings showing my guru is non-sectarian and open to give
teaching to all schools.

http://tinyurl.com/4hjv7 The Karmapa II link

This is the Karmapa link that shows the second Karmapa seeking the teachings
from my school and that they received something from it but I stress here that
what they received was not the direct lineage from Tibet like my guru's one and
this is not like the India-based lineage that doesn't hail from the same holy
origin as in Tibet. India's lineages are not the same as Tibet's, anywhere.

http://tinyurl.com/5fkx6 Phende Kenchen site link

Phende Kenchen's lineage and teachings in which the Gyu De Kun Tus, represents
the Marpa Tantras that the link # 2 above is after sought by the Karmapas. (see
paragraph # 4 of Phende Kenchen's biography for the teaching I mean by this.)

http://tinyurl.com/5v3hm Photo of the temple and of my house

What to say on the question of this link ?

Me and mine and the group around me. Nothing to say about nothing :
thirty-three years of being in it and it's just about dead now with people so
old around me - I was the youngest of our group early out - that they're
croaking right and left and little boy is flying away - Baby os leaving home -
what's that Beatles song about the child of the house leaving home ? I know
people in my Sangha wanted it to be all for them but that's history and I've
been around here for too long and no one learnt Tibetan or ever listened to the
real research I did and only threw back to the good ol' days together whenever
we met or meet nowadays - and that is not satisfactory because meeting people
who don't look at reality and relate to the past in relating to me are not on
the truth's path. The future is out in Taiwan for me, with our *young* Sangha
there - and meeting up with people who speak Tibetan; and are also ready to
sacrifice their young lives for the Dharma; and to throw all overbaord and
enter upon retreats of the teachings they've received. We don't want to give
the big teachings here in France, because Westerners, and the French in
particular, have no faith of the dimension of entering upon life-retreats;
while in Taiwan we have scores of such.


Sign up for the teachings and we'll organize them : it's a breeze now. It's
easy for young people when they have old people like me to do all for them and
organize things they just have to enter like a supermarket and serve
themselves...but they have to pay the hefty life-price at the exit, because
they get the guarantee of authenticity and top-grade product and tha's what
they pay for and we guarantee, explaining and giving proof it is so that it is
the top of the scale of what exists in the world.

[Kalachakrapa]

From: Peter Bergwaldheimhausen

Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:58:56 +0100
Subject: Re: Hello : Kingdom of Shambala

Tantrism is the path followed by all the Buddhas of the three times to attain
fully realized Enlightenment.
The West doesn't have Tantrism and the philosophers of Western culture aren't
enlightened.
We don't need it, we have Jesus.

The Christian church is defunct now with new priests down to just about 150 a
year in France. There's nothing just an empty facade facing Islam now in the
West. With the coming of Oriental religions the intellectulas clearly saw that
there was no substance to Christian double-talk and that the way to Hell was
not guaranteed to be closed. Now the people are sure of that too, and the only
ones who are still holding out are the individual Mormons or other isolated
groups that don't have good communication and don't know that the bell has
tolled already, and that they better run for high ground because the tsunami
for religions is here. Here in Europe we have the traditional Catholics who go
out and proselitize on the street, but this is the tsenty-first century and
these people talk like pilgrims on the path to St John of Compostelle. I mean,
where do these people come from ? Have they lived on Mars for thirty years ?
Where were they in May '68 ? Did the Beatles go East, for nothing ? This is
Tintin-religon the Catholics are dicshing out. The only people they can rake in
are the foreigners without green Cards that will go anywhere they can to get
them and thus go to the churches. The Catholics have a talk-problem : they talk
like they were in some time-warp. These are the summum of Moronity in the West.
These are what we in France call happy-idiots ( ce sont des "imbéciles
heureux"). The equivalent of Tintin. The total moron, incarnated on Earth in
the general indifference and nobody will miss him when he dies. What we all
call a "loser". Being a trendy person today is folloing the latest fad that
now, since the Beat Movement, is the East and the Dharma. From afull-grown
fruit, the only way os down and no fruit will grow out of Christianity that
will just die away so as to be reborn on new soil. Using the same field as a
repeat platation yields a rotten crop next year,; it has to be rotated.
Christianity now is coming up strong in Africa alone. And nowhere else. even
South America is going Buddhist strongly. It was the usual ground of
moron-Christians. Ayayayayaha ! G.Bush's revival is just a fizzling out of the
essence. Jesus was not erudite and provided no writings, while Buddha provided
84000 teachings. Plus, Buddhists exorcize living dead while Christians don't.
Christians are your basic pea-brain intellectuals, following a pre-conceived,
learned-by-heart line that they understand nothing of. They are not taught to
think like Buddha harkened his followers to do. Christianity is the religion of
the living vampire. Be careful not to touch "the Thing" because it eats people.
Like in "Return of the Grave Corpse" with Ernest Borgnine. Scary ! Brrr !

Christianity that always castigated voodoo and so forth (the "primitive"
religons...) is one primitive religons itself. ANd not just a little bit : it's
big time *Voodoo*, what with a living and bleeding dead on it's later,
displayed as graphically as can be. WHy doesn't Hollywood just shoot a horror
film about vampires straight from a chruch alter with the vamire, the Christ,
getting up and starting by strangling the priest ? I mean, why not ? What's
holy and forbidden about that ? Tarantino could do a gore movie, like "Sunday
morning blood-fest", with Brad Pitt as the Corpse. The plot is set already,
just choose any church to shoot it, and make it rip.

I'm happy to see that the West is not totally iditoic by it's (popularly)
abandoning of Christianism.

In periods of great changeovers there are a lot of crazies that come out of the
wood-work but that were always there. But they followed the trend of the
dominant belief, and thus, weren't in evidence. Now, like after the tsunami,
one sees some people stranded high and dry on trees, etc... and the desolation
of changing from religions to others,...just about the same as a tsunami in
peoples' cultures that get all turned upside down by such changes.... is
cataclysmical and some people lose their minds, because of losing their
security. They may also have encountered bad new preachers. Look at Trungpa r
others. The world is filled with fakes and quacks.

At the time of hardship and when the world is losing it's treeasures of
teachings and holy texts such as the Tantras, I hold steadfast in the storm;
and offer to people to receive the teaching requested by the Karmapas too, and
thus to save humanity from moral wilderness that other religions can, in no
way, offer.

Some men, here on ARBT, cannot see this, but some people here have been
steadfast, ...posting for years,....(some leave and then show up again but have
changed like they went bonkers somewhere out there on their road or ran into
hard times, maybe...the world is not easy and the blows one gets out in the
world are not always just virtual, and homeopathic, medecinal, like on ARBT)
and those people...always here.... have had the time to actually read the links
I've sent about the Karmapas,.... and having faith in the Karmapas, they thus
adhere to the idea of them and all, receiving these very precious teachings so
the lineage can be preserved on ARBT. It is the idea that the Karmapas receive
the teaching that they desire, that is what they adhere to. And by that, ARBT
is not just in vain. It's also useful, despite some people using it just to
vent their egos, or else express their having lost themselves,(blowing up in
full Technicolour and in soundsurround that Tang has now gotten us used
to...*him* doing all over this board and that despite his having spent years
and years in mental cultivation and long reading - of all the wrong books - and
poof ! all gone in one mad-hatter moment - like a bad hair day ! Bwa bwa bwa !
He didn't read, study and meditate on the books that retrace the sole path
followed by all the Buddhas of the three times to attain fully realized
Enlightnement, which is Tantra and it's works. ) and wailing out in the night.

These are below the Karmapas' links : may all beings be freed from suffering
and attain fully enlightened Freedom !

http://tinyurl.com/3l5c5 The Karmapa I link.

This is the Karmapa link that indicates my guru, Phende Kenchen's visit to his
temple to give teachings showing my guru is non-sectarian and open to give
teaching to all schools.

http://tinyurl.com/4hjv7 The Karmapa II link

This is the Karmapa link that shows the second Karmapa seeking the teachings
from my school and that they received something from it but I stress here that
what they received was not the direct lineage from Tibet like my guru's one and
this is not like the India-based lineage that doesn't hail from the same holy
origin as in Tibet. India's lineages are not the same as Tibet's, anywhere.

http://tinyurl.com/5fkx6 Phende Kenchen site link

Phende Kenchen's lineage and teachings in which the Gyu De Kun Tus, represents
the Marpa Tantras that the link # 2 above is after sought by the Karmapas. (see
paragraph # 4 of Phende Kenchen's biography for the teaching I mean by this.)

http://tinyurl.com/5v3hm Photo of the temple and of my house

What to say on the question of this link ?

Me and mine and the group around me. Nothing to say about nothing :
thirty-three years of being in it and it's just about dead now with people so
old around me - I was the youngest of our group early out - that they're
croaking right and left and little boy is flying away - Baby os leaving home -
what's that Beatles song about the child of the house leaving home ? I know
people in my Sangha wanted it to be all for them but that's history and I've
been around here for too long and no one learnt Tibetan or ever listened to the
real research I did and only threw back to the good ol' days together whenever
we met or meet nowadays - and that is not satisfactory because meeting people
who don't look at reality and relate to the past in relating to me are not on
the truth's path. The future is out in Taiwan for me, with our *young* Sangha
there - and meeting up with people who speak Tibetan; and are also ready to
sacrifice their young lives for the Dharma; and to throw all overbaord and
enter upon retreats of the teachings they've received. We don't want to give
the big teachings here in France, because Westerners, and the French in
particular, have no faith of the dimension of entering upon life-retreats;
while in Taiwan we have scores of such.


Sign up for the teachings and we'll organize them : it's a breeze now. It's
easy for young people when they have old people like me to do all for them and
organize things they just have to enter like a supermarket and serve
themselves...but they have to pay the hefty life-price at the exit, because
they get the guarantee of authenticity and top-grade product and tha's what
they pay for and we guarantee, explaining and giving proof it is so that it is
the top of the scale of what exits in the world.

[Deu Cha i Tsemo]

I'd like to reach the deepest recesses of the earth : that this post can reach
Tibet and be posted out there through the various people that are present on
Internet and strongly motivated by seeing the names of the saintly lamas I
mention on these posts, and in these links. That's why I post this documented
post several times, so as to arrest all activity on Internet, and get it sent
out widely, so as to touch the maximum of people and really touch their souls
deeply, so as to tell them the time of the coming of the end of their suffering
is now. By the virtuous activities of the high lamas I mention, they can see
that the time of the blessings of all the Buddhas of the three times has come,
and by forcefully using the Internet to send this out, I'm reaching the
furthest recesses of the earth with this news. I'm thus using ARBT to blast off
news to the furthest parts of earth. All the lamas of the planet, and their
followers throughout the Buddhist world, be it inside the Chinese world,
throughout the West, into Buddhist Russia, etc...all over, I want this post to
be carried, and passed forward to all. The news of the spreading of the word of
Tibetan Buddhism and of the preserving for all eternity of it's cultural
tradition being the utmost good news of Buddhism, is thus passed on to the new
generation and a message from the old generation of hierarchs to the new ones.

gurjigombo
I realize that you Chinese Buddhists are all up in the air because with the
Karmapas rushing to save world Buddhism, you're all out in the cold with your
non-Tantric Buddhism.

Karmapa I and II are lunging in a final desperate rush to save their own
tradition and all of Tibetan Buddhism too.

The whole of Buddhism is affected because Tibetan Buddhism is the core of
Buddhism. Like a fire burning a page of paper, the centre burns first and then
the edges. That's why the edges, the peripheral parts of Buddhism, that are
Chinese and Japanese Buddhism are now going up in torches here on ARBT. The
Emperor of China turned the Buddhist official Church of China over to the
Tibetans in the twelfth century; and the head of it today remains, indeed, the
Panchen Lama, the second highest Tibetan Hierarch. The Chinese and Japanese
Buddhisms have never held any sway whatsoever over world Buddhism and it's 1,5
billion Chinese Buddhists. They are just peripheral, bit players of no
importance, with no say as to Buddhist Doctrine, philosophy and belief.
The rushing of the Karmapas are important because they're the heads of sects
that held the Chinese Church's head for thirty years, while my guru, Phende
Kenchen, (whom they are rushing to get these teachings from) hails from the
first Tantric school of Tibet and which school (Sakya-Ngorpa) held the Chinese
Church's head for eighty years. Then, thereafter, the Dalaï-Lama held that
sway, but he didn't head a Tantric school, so that the present rush to save
Buddhism and, most of all, it's Tantric heritage, (which is the deepest of
Buddhist teachings), only concerns the Tantric schools such as the Karmapas
(and our Ngorpa school - but we have the teachings already, so it doesn't
count;)

http://tinyurl.com/3l5c5 The Karmapa I link.
http://tinyurl.com/4hjv7 The Karmapa II link
http://tinyurl.com/5fkx6 Phende Kenchen site link
http://tinyurl.com/5v3hm Photo of the temple and of my house
http://tinyurl.com/3l5c5 The Karmapa I link.

This is the Karmapa link that indicates my guru, Phende Kenchen's visit to his
temple to give teachings showing my guru is non-sectarian and open to give
teaching to all schools.

http://tinyurl.com/4hjv7 The Karmapa II link

This is the Karmapa link that shows the second Karmapa seeking the teachings
from my school and that they received something from it but I stress here that
what they received was not the direct lineage from Tibet like my guru's one and
this is not like the India-based lineage that doesn't hail from the same holy
origin as in Tibet. India's lineages are not the same as Tibet's, anywhere.

http://tinyurl.com/5fkx6 Phende Kenchen site link

Phende Kenchen's lineage and teachings in which the Gyu De Kun Tus, represents
the Marpa Tantras that the link # 2 above is after sought by the Karmapas. (see
paragraph # 4 of Phende Kenchen's biography for the teaching I mean by this.)

http://tinyurl.com/5v3hm Photo of the temple and of my house

What to say on the question of this link ?

Me and mine and the group around me. Nothing to say about nothing :
thirty-three years of being in it and it's just about dead now with people so
old around me - I was the youngest of our group early out - that they're
croaking right and left and little boy is flying away - Baby os leaving home -
what's that Beatles song about the child of the house leaving home ? I know
people in my Sangha wanted it to be all for them but that's history and I've
been around here for too long and no one learnt Tibetan or ever listened to the
real research I did and only threw back to the good ol' days together whenever
we met or meet nowadays - and that is not satisfactory because meeting people
who don't look at reality and relate to the past in relating to me are not on
the truth's path. The future is out in Taiwan for me, with our *young* Sangha
there - and meeting up with people who speak Tibetan; and are also ready to
sacrifice their young lives for the Dharma; and to throw all overbaord and
enter upon retreats of the teachings they've received. We don't want to give
the big teachings here in France, because Westerners, and the French in
particular, have no faith of the dimension of entering upon life-retreats;
while in Taiwan we have scores of such.


Sign up for the teachings and we'll organize them : it's a breeze now. It's
easy for young people when they have old people like me to do all for them and
organize things they just have to enter like a supermarket and serve
themselves...but they have to pay the hefty life-price at the exit, because
they get the guarantee of authenticity and top-grade product and tha's what
they pay for and we guarantee, explaining and giving proof it is so that it is
the top of the scale of what exists in the world.

[Deu Cha i Tsemo]

deuchaitsemo
I'd like to reach the deepest recesses of the earth : that this post can reach
Tibet and be posted out there through the various people that are present on
Internet and strongly motivated by seeing the names of the saintly lamas I
mention on these posts, and in these links. That's why I post this documented
post several times, so as to arrest all activity on Internet, and get it sent
out widely, so as to touch the maximum of people and really touch their souls
deeply, so as to tell them the time of the coming of the end of their suffering
is now. By the virtuous activities of the high lamas I mention, they can see
that the time of the blessings of all the Buddhas of the three times has come,
and by forcefully using the Internet to send this out, I'm reaching the
furthest recesses of the earth with this news. I'm thus using ARBT to blast off
news to the furthest parts of earth. All the lamas of the planet, and their
followers throughout the Buddhist world, be it inside the Chinese world,
throughout the West, into Buddhist Russia, etc...all over, I want this post to
be carried, and passed forward to all. The news of the spreading of the word of
Tibetan Buddhism and of the preserving for all eternity of it's cultural
tradition being the utmost good news of Buddhism, is thus passed on to the new
generation and a message from the old generation of hierarchs to the new ones.

gurjigombo
I realize that you Chinese Buddhists are all up in the air because with the
Karmapas rushing to save world Buddhism, you're all out in the cold with

your

non-Tantric Buddhism.

Karmapa I and II are lunging in a final desperate rush to save their own
tradition and all of Tibetan Buddhism too.
The whole of Buddhism is affected because Tibetan Buddhism is the core of
Buddhism. Like a fire burning a page of paper, the centre burns first and then
the edges. That's why the edges, the peripheral parts of Buddhism, that are
Chinese and Japanese Buddhism are now going up in torches here on ARBT. The
Emperor of China turned the Buddhist official Church of China over to the
Tibetans in the twelfth century; and the head of it today remains, indeed, the
Panchen Lama, the second highest Tibetan Hierarch. The Chinese and Japanese
Buddhisms have never held any sway whatsoever over world Buddhism and it's 1,5
billion Chinese Buddhists. They are just peripheral, bit players of no
importance, with no say as to Buddhist Doctrine, philosophy and belief.
The rushing of the Karmapas are important because they're the heads of sects
that held the Chinese Church's head for thirty years, while my guru, Phende
Kenchen, (whom they are rushing to get these teachings from) hails from the
first Tantric school of Tibet and which school (Sakya-Ngorpa) held the Chinese
Church's head for eighty years. Then, thereafter, the Dalaï-Lama held that
sway, but he didn't head a Tantric school, so that the present rush to save
Buddhism and, most of all, it's Tantric heritage, (which is the deepest of
Buddhist teachings), only concerns the Tantric schools such as the Karmapas
(and our Ngorpa school - but we have the teachings already, so it doesn't
count;)

http://tinyurl.com/3l5c5 The Karmapa I link.
http://tinyurl.com/4hjv7 The Karmapa II link
http://tinyurl.com/5fkx6 Phende Kenchen site link
http://tinyurl.com/5v3hm Photo of the temple and of my house
http://tinyurl.com/3l5c5 The Karmapa I link.

This is the Karmapa link that indicates my guru, Phende Kenchen's visit to his
temple to give teachings showing my guru is non-sectarian and open to give
teaching to all schools.

http://tinyurl.com/4hjv7 The Karmapa II link

This is the Karmapa link that shows the second Karmapa seeking the teachings
from my school and that they received something from it but I stress here that
what they received was not the direct lineage from Tibet like my guru's one and
this is not like the India-based lineage that doesn't hail from the same holy
origin as in Tibet. India's lineages are not the same as Tibet's, anywhere.

http://tinyurl.com/5fkx6 Phende Kenchen site link

Phende Kenchen's lineage and teachings in which the Gyu De Kun Tus, represents
the Marpa Tantras that the link # 2 above is after sought by the Karmapas. (see
paragraph # 4 of Phende Kenchen's biography for the teaching I mean by this.)

http://tinyurl.com/5v3hm Photo of the temple and of my house

What to say on the question of this link ?
thirty-three years of being in it and it's just about dead now with people so
old around me - I was the youngest of our group early out - that they're
croaking right and left and little boy is flying away - Baby os leaving home -
what's that Beatles song about the child of the house leaving home ? I know
people in my Sangha wanted it to be all for them but that's history and I've
been around here for too long and no one learnt Tibetan or ever listened to the
real research I did and only threw back to the good ol' days together whenever
we met or meet nowadays - and that is not satisfactory because meeting people
who don't look at reality and relate to the past in relating to me are not on
the truth's path. The future is out in Taiwan for me, with our *young* Sangha
there - and meeting up with people who speak Tibetan; and are also ready to
sacrifice their young lives for the Dharma; and to throw all overbaord and
enter upon retreats of the teachings they've received. We don't want to give
the big teachings here in France, because Westerners, and the French in
particular, have no faith of the dimension of entering upon life-retreats;
while in Taiwan we have scores of such.
Sign up for the teachings and we'll organize them : it's a breeze now. It's
easy for young people when they have old people like me to do all for them and
organize things they just have to enter like a supermarket and serve
themselves...but they have to pay the hefty life-price at the exit, because
they get the guarantee of authenticity and top-grade product and tha's what
they pay for and we guarantee, explaining and giving proof it is so that it is
the top of the scale of what exists in the world.

Now that I've kicked open the door to knowledge and there's nothing holding it
back anywhere in the whole wide world, go through it and don't ever turn back
again. Save the world ! Go for it, it's all your's.

[Deu Cha i Tsemo]

deuchaitsemo
Now that I've kicked open the door to knowledge and there's nothing holding it
back anywhere in the whole wide world, go through it and don't ever turn back
again. Save the world ! Go for it, it's all your's.

To the Kingdom of Shambala.

[Gur Ji Gombo]

Date: 21 Jan 2005 17:11:55 -0800

Subject: Re: Tang's beside the subject

So many words to say so little.
A blank page would have been sufficient.

\

Tang's beside the subject on a Tibetan ng that's based on Tantrism

and he

just
doesn't have a clue wandering around like a lost soul that no one

has

abridged
on what he missed.

<mercy snipped to save bandwidth>


People want me to shut up but Meat, no one ever got back to us about whether I
was a reincarnation. Big Silence there. What's up with that : am I or not a
reincarnation ? NoOne ever got back about that ? They made a stink about my
being a lama. That was elucidated as to what that was - but no one elucidated,
and referred back as to whether I was a reincarnation or not.

The facts that I send here about Buddhism and the facts of Buddhism are thus
dependant upon the relevance and adequacy of what I say, and that, in turn,
depends in interdependancy upon the fact of my references from the authorities
of Tibetan Buddhism backing me up or not.

Until someone clears up their butts about that, I stand by my point of view and
words in total confidence. I don't have to justify myself, I have all the
assurances I could need, being a thirty-three year disciple of the foremost
lama of Tantric Buddhism. It's up to the challengers like you to justify
yourselves, and your mad claims (you're the mad claims not me), and no one on
this ng or anywhere has managed that yet.

I wish you good luck.

[Gur Ji Gombo]

Date: 22 Jan 2005 10:26:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Hello : Kingdom of Shambala

Post by Gur Ji Gombo
Date: 21 Jan 2005 17:11:55 -0800
Subject: Re: Tang's beside the subject
So many words to say so little.
A blank page would have been sufficient.

\

Post by Gur Ji Gombo

Tang's beside the subject on a Tibetan ng that's based on Tantrism

and he

Post by Gur Ji Gombo

just
doesn't have a clue wandering around like a lost soul that no one

has

Post by Gur Ji Gombo

abridged
on what he missed.

<mercy snipped to save bandwidth>

Post by Gur Ji Gombo
People want me to shut up but Meat, no one ever got back to us about whether I

was a reincarnation. Big Silence there. What's up with that : am I or not a
reincarnation ? NoOne ever got back about that ? They made a stink about my
being a lama. That was elucidated as to what that was - but no one elucidated,
and referred back as to whether I was a reincarnation or not.


The facts that I send here about Buddhism and the facts of Buddhism are thus
dependant upon the relevance and adequacy of what I say, and that, in turn,
depends in interdependancy upon the fact of my references from the authorities
of Tibetan Buddhism backing me up or not.


Until someone clears up their butts about that, I stand by my point of view and
words in total confidence. I don't have to justify myself, I have all the
assurances I could need, being a thirty-three year disciple of the foremost
lama of Tantric Buddhism. It's up to the challengers like you to justify
yourselves, and your mad claims (you're the mad claims not me), and no one on

Post by Gur Ji Gombo
this ng or anywhere has managed that yet.
I wish you good luck.>

There's this fraud called "Maitreya" that's going to get enthroned in Febuary
(the last week of February). But his case has been researched and the below
link to that enthronement that I sent here earlier last month, has been duly
put into the "Cults" page on Henry's site as I recommended it to be (in the
second link below).

http://www.tibetanfoundation.org/KathmanduDharshanProgram.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/4886/tbm01.htm

Maitreya "Buddha" here is particularly careful to prepare himself for all
questions that can be adressed him and makes a much better show of it than all
previous frauds like Lobsang Rampa or the like.

He claims that this or that lama has recognized him and produces pages of
various "proof" thereof.

The proof of these "proofs" aren't to be found anywhere, unless directly
adressing the "lamas" in question.

But then his declarations become nothing else but blatant idiocy when
interviewed, and f.ex. when he deals in non-Tibetan things. Even his so-called
Tiebtan pages of his sites, are full of strange, bizarre and idiotic things,
mixing all kinds of unseeming New Age c..p with other, apparently Tibetan
Buddhism things; which he's just "picked up" on the way. Henry goes further and
researches some claims about his past that are much more unsavoury even and
which make this personnage much less attractive than some gullible people might
have thought him to be.

Here on ARBT, people are also pretty gullible because when they see frauds they
don't budge much. But there are many many frauds so better than to research the
world, and unearthing them all, such as Henry bravely does, why not just stick
to the original lamas, the real ones, and see what they, indeed, do authorize
and forbid in terms of reincarnation and recognition ? That delimits the
allowed and the forbidden and for the same amount of effort. All that has not
been authorized by them is not authorized, period. Thus, rather than proceed to
test all the prooducts around, one just checks the copyright's caracteristics
and one is armed agaisnt frauds. One covers one's foot with leather and thus
enjoys it's smoothness throughout one's trip.

I've said to people that the reincarnation recognition that I've been given was
given by other than lamas such as "Maitreya Buddha" claimed to have been
recognized by. I was recognized by the most learned of present-day lamas,
Phende Kenchen, the head of the second largest Tibetan school, the Ngorpas. He
is the holder of the Gyu De Kun Thus, the holiest of all Tibetan teachings
because it alone can prevent it from disappearing for ever. Without it, Tibetan
Buddhism will disappear for always. My recognition has thius been made by
someone of other caliber and hierarchical status than that fraud. My
recognition was made by the head of the second largest sect of Tibetan
Buddhism. This is importnat even if Tibetan Buddhism has fallen so low today.
But it mostly means that people who claim to be recognized and don't have the
proper recognition are really crowing from the top of a manure heap because
they're really not recognized by *anyone*. But also, people who claim to
authority in these matters but are merely mumbling bystanders, without any
authorized opinion at all, are also "out at sea", as far as comprehending the
"true" workings of Tibetan Tantric Buddhism. The people of ARBT are totally
unqualified to decide on this because, despite my having declared this
publically, without any dissimulation of any kind, no one has invalidated or
validated this... which shows the low level of qulification and judgement that
the people of ARBT have. They are unalbe to judge of what is true and what is
false. They have not been good at dealing with the claims of such as the fake
"Maitreya Buddha" and when it comes to a thirty-three year long disciple of the
most holy Tantric Lama of Tibetan Tantric Buddhism, that Phende Kenchen is, and
that disciple's (my) recognition by him, well, it's also the same emptiness and
Big Silence.

It's this Silence of the Lambs and Silence of the Ignorant that I chastize
openly here.

I'm recognized as a reincarnation by the highest authority of the second
largest, (Ngorpa) school and no other Western disciple has had this favour.

That this has not been corrobarated or invalidated by this newsgroup (an
earlier misunderstanding that this was equivalent to a "lama" status was
cleared up to me, very early by Phende Kenchen, in person.) shows the low level
of competence of people here and that this has been nevertheless the object of
covert criticism is also the proof of the low level of understanding of the
truth versus lies, of the people on this newsgroup. Once the sun has emerged
and pierced the cloud-cover, it's light shines forth brilliantly without effort
or obstruction. That the light not be perceived by all, is the sign that there
is another shielding obstruction, that can be the result of the perceiving
party's own dissimulation of the truth.

Buddha said that his truth was available but that it was rather the dust on
peoples' eyes that was the main obstacle at his time.

Thus, it reflects, far more the perceiver of this matter, than the subject of
it : that is me, in this case.

[Gur Ji Gombo]

From: "Evelyn Ruut"

Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:23:44 GMT
Subject: Re: What is Tonglen?

TONGLEN - 'Sending and Taking'

BY

THRANGU RINPOCHE

TongLen is a meditation done in conjunction with one's breathing, and in
relation to one's parents, friends and enemies, to all beings gathered
around oneself. As one breathes out, imagine that with the exhalation out
goes all one's happiness and all the causes of happiness, all the good karma
that one has, in the form of white light rays. These light rays go out to
all beings to touch them, so that they obtain present temporary happiness
and the cause for the ultimate happiness of buddhahood.


With inhalation one imagines that all the suffering, the causes of suffering
and the bad karma that beings have, are drawn into oneself with the incoming
breath, in the form of black light rays. These black rays enter and merge
into oneself, so one thinks that one has taken on the suffering of all other
beings. Thus this Sending & Taking meditation involves giving away happiness
and taking on suffering, in combination with one's breathing.


What does this meditation accomplish? Generally, happiness & suffering occur
as a result of karma, one's good or bad actions. If someone has done a good
action, then naturally from that there will come a result of happiness. That
person will receive the result of happiness that cannot be denied him or
her. Likewise, suffering occurs as the result of bad actions. If someone has
done a bad action then the only result that can be obtained from that is
suffering, which cannot be avoided.


In doing this meditation one changes the attitude of seeing oneself as more
important than other beings; one will come to consider others as more
important than oneself. The normal attitude that people have is to think
that it does not matter if other beings are not happy, it does not matter if
others are suffering, but it is important that oneself is happy & free from
suffering. One normally considers oneself, takes care of oneself first,
regarding oneself as more important than others. Through doing this sending
& taking practice it is possible to change one's attitude so that it does
not matter if oneself is unhappy or suffering, but it does matter that
others are happy & free from suffering. Thus one develops the attitude that
one is able to take on the suffering of other beings.


Some people new to this practice get worried because they think that by
doing the practice they will have to lose happiness and experience
suffering, which makes them fearful. However, there is no need for this
anxiety because whatever happens to oneself is solely a result of one's
karma. Doing this practice does not bring suffering.


Other people do the practice with great expectation, with great hope. They
think of a friend who is ill, unhappy or otherwise suffering and they
visualise this friend during the meditation in the hope that they will
remove the suffering. When they find it does not work they lose hope and
become disillusioned. This also is not what the practice is about. The point
is to cherish other beings as important, rather than regarding oneself as
important. So there is no need to have worry, fear or expectation.


However, it is not true to say there is no result from the practice. In the
immediate present one is not able to bring happiness or remove suffering,
but by doing this practice one will gradually cease to cherish oneself over
others. Instead, one will develop the wish to practise in order to benefit
other beings, eventually leading to the ability to help beings, teach and
train them in the Dharma, and so forth. Consequently, one will be able to
give them happiness and relieve them of suffering, and offer them whatever
qualities and abilities that one has. This is the relative bodhicitta.


The ultimate bodhicitta is approached by pacifying concepts and dualism: all
one's thoughts are calmed; one's clinging to dualism assuaged; one just
rests in the state of peace, of meditation. One dissolves into emptiness and
just rests in the true nature of the mind. This is the ultimate bodhicitta.


Taken from the Oral Instructions on the Karma Pakshi Practice given by
Thrangu Rinpoche, to the retreatants of Samye-Ling, December 1993.


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From: "Evelyn Ruut"

Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:24:40 GMT
Subject: Re: What is Tonglen?

TONGLEN INSTRUCTION

Ane Pema Chodron,


2/4/83


TONGLEN INSTRUCTION


Introduction:The ground of the tonglen practice is to develop your heart;
the essence of the practice is to develop and ripen a sense of sympathy for
yourself and for others. So this is a maitri prac­tice as well as a practice
for developing compassion. The prac­tice of tonglen begins with your
aspiration to help others; and, you know, the way to help others is to just
develop sympathy and friendship for yourself, and then to extend that out.
If you have sympathy for your own confusion, and the bravery and
willing­ness to relate with your own confusion directly, then you can extend
that out to relate directly and gently with the confusion of other people.


There is one thing about tonglen practice that you might find particularly
penetrating and useful in your practice and develop­ment: those things that
you consider to be your greatest obstacles- -your rage, for instance, or
your extreme poverty, or your jealousy, which eats you up- -are actually
your link with understanding the confusion of other people. In shamatha
practice, you work with these things by training yourself not to dwell on
them, but to see them with tremendous precision and realism. In the tonglen
practice, you continue with that same kind of honesty, but with an emphasis
largely on the heart: it's a heart matter, not a head matter, when you do
tonglen.


So you should remember your aspiration to help others. How­ever, just as
when you take the bodhisattva vow, you are not already a full-blown
bodhisattva; in the same way, when you start working with tonglen practice,
you shouldn't feel that you are there already. You desire to develop your
heart and your ability to genuinely care for other people; but you don't sit
down to do tonglen and have that already be the case. Quite the opposite.
There is the path quality of this practice.


My own experience with tonglen has been that, if you do the practice very
literally and according to the instructions, the practice itself develops
your heart. You start out being able to care for those you love. You work
with that; and, in the process, you begin to develop sympathy for your own
confusion, as well as for the confusion of the people that you don't like.
And that extends out more and more and more. So it is a practice that
actually develops bodhicitta. It engenders and ripens an enlight­ened
attitude.


A necessary prerequisite Is the aspiration to do so, and the willingness to
work with the technique to the best of your ability. Then the process will
take care of itself. Another necessary prerequisite, which fortunately we
all have, is basic goodness and


buddha-nature. So you need to get in touch with that and dissolve any
obstacles to that: this is the way to develop your heart, which is the
ground of tonglen.


To begin with, you only have two things to work with in tonglen practice.
The first is your experience, up to that point in time, of the truth of
suffering. However, there is not much time for story-lines in tonglen
practice; it is more like an echo or shadow of all the story-lines in your
whole life, up to that moment. That is one thing that you actually bring to
the practice. The second thing you have to work with is any understanding
that you already have of spaciousness, or the cessation of suffering, which
is basic goodness, upliftedness. So you work with your understanding of
those two things. As you do the practice, your understanding of both of
those things becomes more and more and more real, and more expansive. That
is important to know, With that as an introduction, I would like to present
the technique as simply as I can.


Tonglen Technique


Stage one:


Tonglen practice has three stages. The first stage is tradi­tionally
referred to as "flashing openness," or "flashing absolute bodhicitta." The
slogan "Rest in the nature of alaya" goes along with that. This flash of
openness is done very quickly. One experience that everyone has had of this
is when you're practicing in the shrine room with the fan going, and then
suddenly someone turns the fan off. There is some sort of natural flash of
silence and space. It is a very simple thing: it's openness and, definitely,
whatever your experience is of the basic "ah" referred to by the
Vajracarya. [Editor's note: See the 1983 Hinayana-Mahayana Transcripts.)


Stage two:


The next stage is working with texture: breathing in black, heavy, and hot;
breathing out white, light, and cool. The idea is that you are always
breathing in the same thing: you are essentially breathing in the cause of
suffering, the origin of suffering, which is fixation. Fixation is the
tendency to hold on with a vengeance to yourself, to "ME," capital M,
capital E.


You may have noticed that- -when you get very angry, or very poverty
stricken, or very jealous- -you experience that fixation as black, hot,
solid,. and heavy. That is actually the texture of neurosis, the texture of
fixation. You may have also noticed times when you are all caught up in
yourself, and then some sort of contrast or gap occurs. It's very spacious.
It's the experience of mind that is not fixated on phenomena: it's the
experience of openness. The quality, or texture, of that open­ness is
generally experienced as very light, white, fresh, clear, and cool. Those
are the qualities of openness.


So the second stage is simply working with those textures. You breathe in
black, heavy, and hot through all the pores of your body, and you radiate
out white, light, and cool. There is a sense of it coming in through all the
pores of your body, and radiating out in three hundred and sixty degrees. So
you work with the texture until you feel that it's synchronized, until it is
clear that black is coming in and white is going out on the medium of the
breath: in and out; in and out.


Stage three:


In the third stage you work with suffering, This part of the practice should
be very, very real. It should be totally un-theoretical. It should be
heartfelt; it should be tangible, and honest, and true to you, and vivid.


The third stage is actually in two parts: you might want to think of these
as three "a" and three "b." In three a, you are working with specific
suffering, specific pain, specific klesha. And it is a very personal sense
of pain or suffering, yours or someone else's. In three b, you are extending
that sense of suffering out to include all sentient beings. So you need to
work with both of those situations. If you just had the idea of extending
out to all sentient beings, the practice would be very theoretical. It would
never actually touch your heart. On the other hand, if you just had the
sense of working with your own or someone else's fixation, it would lack
vision. It would be too narrow. Working with both of those situations
together makes the practice very real and heartfelt; at the same time, it
provides vision and a way for you to work with everyone in the world, as
well. At this point, I would like to describe how that works.


You should start with three a, working with specific fixation, starting with
something very close to home, It could be your own anger, for example, that
you might be feeling at that moment; or it could be the fixation of someone
else, whom you love very much, someone with whom you can connect very easily
without any compli­cations.


As a maitri practice, the way it works is as follows: either sitting in the
shrine room doing tonglen or in post-meditation, you bring all of your
unfinished karmic business right into the prac­tice. In fact, you should do
that; you should invite it right in. Suppose that you are involved in a
horrific relationship: every time you think of a particular person, you get
furious. That is very useful for tonglen! [Laughter.] Or perhaps you feel
completely left out. The seminary experience is making you feel more
wretched every day, and you feel completely poverty stricken. It was all you
could do to get out of bed and come to hear this talk. In fact, people in
your delek actually had to knock on your door and drag you here. You're so
depressed that you want to stay in bed for the rest of your life; you have
actually considered hiding under your bed, [Laughter.) That is very useful
for tonglen prac­tice. It should be real, just like that.


Let's use another example. You may be formally doing tonglen or just sitting
in the lobby having your coffee. And. . . "Here he comes"...... . "Here he
comes." [Laughter.] This example actually goes along with the slogan: "Three
objects, three poisons, three virtuous seeds." The object is," Here he
comes," The poison is either passion, aggression, or ignorance: you want to
hit him, grasp him, or wish that he weren't there at all, just forget about
him altogether and not pay any attention to him.


Let's use anger as a specific example. The object is, "Here he comes"; and
here comes the poison, fury. Then, you breathe that in. The idea is to
develop sympathy for your own confusion. And the technique is that you do
not blame him; you also do not blame yourself. Instead, there is just
liberated fury, It is hot, black, and heavy. And you experience it as fully
as you can.


You breathe the anger in; you remove the object; you stop thinking about
him. In fact, he is just a useful catalyst. You could be grateful to
everyone. You could drive all blames into yourself, breathing them in. This
doesn't mean to say that you blame yourself, but you own it completely. It
takes a lot of bravery, and it's extremely insulting to ego. In fact, it
completely destroys the whole mechanism of ego. So you breathe in.


Then, you breathe out sympathy, relaxation, and spaciousness. Instead of
just a small, dark situation, you allow a lot of space for that feeling to
exist in. Don't slow
...
Practising Tonglen with each post : kicking out the destruction of Buddhism
with each one and engaging the forces of preservation here by force,
compressing the air in one's chest, ....and keeping prisoner the people who
don't want to enroll in the forces of helping and keeping secure Buddhism and
that are forcefully enrolled in that force and Army. The immortal Elixir of
Bliss is held inside and the outer winds of destroying the Buddhist faith
because one hates it and wants it's destruction are held at arm's length
outside one's skin. One's chest is the armour against destruction and the end
and death. One is unconquerable; totally so. None can rival with the
Unbreakable and Victorious Vajrayana, the only path followed by all the Buddhas
of the three times to attain fully realized Enlightenment. Thus the world is
purified and all foes are defeated, trodden under foot and made forceless.

[GeirSmith]

Phende Kenchen has told me, some years ago, that he was absolutely ready to

give the encyclopedic series of the Gyu De Kun Tus to the Karmapa. He told me
this at the time of the death of the former Karmapa.

Now the formalities for giving this can be worked out at present. But first of
all, a hall of at least one thousand people would have to be arranged. Just as
the Golden Teachings of the Sakyapas are bestowed traditionnally, only if paid
for by gold, here, the teachings that are as encyclopedic as the Gyu De Kun
Tus, will also need to be requested in the appropriate manner so as to be
granted to be given. A temple that is appropriate and that will be
non-sectarian of one school of the other and devoted to the Kalachakra
tradition as I conceive it, taking into account the banned Taranatha's
tradition, will be founded or the teaching will not be given or else without my
brokering.

For the formalities I offer that, indeed, a temple that is devoted to
Kalachakra be founded in Taipei. It will be a non-denominational temple,
without sectarian orientation, a temple that will be open to all sincere
Kalachakra practitionners worldwide.

Phende Kenchen is the only one with Chogye Trichen to have brought the Gyu De
Kun Tus from Tibet. The dozens of lamas and monks who now have it in India,
have simply received that from Chogye. But he is very old now. Phende Kenchen
is the same as such : he is a holder of the lineage hailing directly from
Tibet. Near-sighted only will not see the difference between a direct lineage
and an indirect one. People with the indirect lineage, who are content with it
can remain so, but it isn't the pure Tibetan lineage seeing it has been watered
down !!!

I now put this up on a web-page for it to be consulted freely and that now also
provides with a a forum dealing with questions that concern Phende Kenchen, the
Shamarpa-Karmapa lineage, Kalachakra, my biography and the Gyu De Kun Tus. It
also provides links to the other sites about each of these subjects.

Enjoy this new site : (to be constructed shortly….)>

I wrote this earlier some months ago. Anyone want to start up this site for me
? And take care of it through time ?

[Gur Ji Gombo]

The French have been thrashed proper on this ng and that's right but really the
French are nothing but German cousins because the word French comes from the
Franks from Frankonia in the Black Forest region and conversely the Frankfurt
region too.

The French are the romanized cousins of Germans and thus also Huns and thus in
other words, Turco-Mongols.

So despite their being thrashed, they'll all gather to reform the
Austro-Hungarian empire that they've always been wanting to reform all through
Napoleon, etc....and in times of need as for ex. against Islam, they'll reform;
and then the Americans and their busting of France will come up short - just
because they saved France from Germany,- but they should be careful, because
France really wanted to be German, and thought of it more, rather as a
"freeing" by the Germans.

I live in France and it's a commonly held opinion here among ordinary people
that America is a country of mixed bloods, and not pure like Europe.

When push comes to shove and sides have to drawn up in times of dire straits,
then the unity of Europe and France or Germany, all pull together along
clannish lines, that America no longer has, and lost in passing over the ocean.

[Gur Ji Gombo]

French = Franks = Germans

I don't say it, this does :

http://tinyurl.com/5fs54

Attacking the French as wimps is attacking the Germans and precipitating the
revenge of the Germans and their return as the world power that happened when
they had the Austro-Hungarian Empire and that lasted a thousand years. Is that
what's going to happen again when the French unity with the Germans again ? The
American attacs on the French just precipitate that and the Americans decline
as the world power. Americans are floundering into mediocrity now.

[Gur Ji Gombo]

gurjigombo
French = Franks = Germans
http://tinyurl.com/5fs54
Attacking the French as wimps is attacking the Germans and precipitating the
revenge of the Germans and their return as the world power that happened when
they had the Austro-Hungarian Empire and that lasted a thousand years. Is that
what's going to happen again when the French unity with the Germans again ? The
American attacs on the French just precipitate that and the Americans decline
as the world power. Americans are floundering into mediocrity now.

Franconia is the center of Germany and the name of Franconia is very present
too in the USA where the German community uses this name for it's areas.

So, actually it's indissociable from the heart of German identity and one could
rather say that "Germans are French" rather than the other way around.

That's always been the German problem : knowing who they were because they're a
mixed identity cobbled together from the Austro-Hungarian Empire on one side,
with it's mix of Slavic peoples in the Danube Plain, and it's Saxon, Celtic,
Frankish, etc...identity on the other side of the Alps, i.e. in the French
Plains.

But even if they don't now who they are, they're still the same people as each
other, so if they don't know who to hang onto, at least they can hang on to
each other, like sisters and brothers hang on to each other faced with the
horrors of life.

Franks and Germans and Slavs, hanging on to each other, joined at the hip.
Hinged together through History.

[Gur Ji Gombo]

Tsunami among world's worst disasters

Hurricanes have also wrought devastation on a huge scale
The massive tsunami in the Indian Ocean has been described by relief experts as
one of the worst natural disasters in recent history.
With a likely death toll of well over 250,000, the wave is particularly notable
for the extent of its reach, from Indonesia in the east, to the coast of
Africa, some 7,000km (4,000 miles) away.

The high numbers of Westerners affected and the speed at which footage from the
disaster reached television screens also added to its impact.

The highest death toll from a tsunami until now happened in 1896, when 27,000
people were drowned following an earthquake off the coast of Japan, according
to the Guinness Book of Records.

Cyclones and famine

But there have been other natural disasters which have also claimed tens of
thousands of lives.

In 1970, up to 500,000 people were killed in Bangladesh when a cyclone whipped
up winds of 230 km/h which swept away entire villages.

NATURAL DISASTERS
2004 Asian quake disaster - toll so far exceeds 110,000
2003 earthquake in Bam, Iran - official casualty figure is 26,271
1976 Earthquake in Tangshan, China, kills 242,000
1970 Cyclone in Bangladesh kills 500,000
1923 Tokyo earthquake kills 140,000
1887 China's Yellow River breaks its banks in Huayan Kou killing 900,000
1896 Tsunami kills 27,000 in Japan
1815 Volcanic eruption of Mount Tambora on Indonesia's Sumbawa Island kills
90,000
1556 Earthquake in China's Shaanxi, Shanxi and Henan provinces kills an
estimated 830,000

China suffered similar losses when an earthquake with a magnitude of 8.3 almost
obliterated the north-eastern city of Tangshan in 1976. The official number of
people killed was put at around 250,000, although some said the figure was more
like 750,000.

In 1984 and 1985, a famine in Ethiopia killed an estimated 900,000 people.

Last year, a 6.3 quake devastated the Iranian city of Bam, killing 26,271,
according to official figures.

Hurricane Mitch, which devastated much of Honduras and Nicaragua in Central
America in 1998, killed 10,000 people and left some two million homeless.

The 1988 earthquake in Armenia, measuring 6.9, killed nearly 25,000.

And one of the worst monsoons in living memory claimed the lives of 10,000
people in Thailand over the course of three months in 1983. Some 100,000 people
contracted waterborne diseases as a result of the storm.

Snow storms, forest fires and avalanches have all proved deadly. A single
landslide in Peru in 1970 killed more than 18,000 people in the town of Yungay.


In 1887, about 900,000 people died when the Yellow River in China burst its
banks in the worst-ever recorded flooding.

A volcanic eruption of Mount Tambora on Indonesia's Sumbawa island in 1815
claimed the lives of more than 90,000 people as a blanket of lava and ash
covered all around it, leading to agricultural devastation, famine and disease.


China's Shaanxi, Shanxi and Henan provinces lost an estimated 830,000 people
when they were hit, in 1556, by one of the worst earthquakes in history.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4128509.stm

Biblical, proportioins of tsunami : it's not the numbers I think , but it's
it's width, hitting twelve countries in seven hours like a world-curse without
borders.

The Bible and it's God thaat doesn't exist, is not eternal, not permanent, is
wrong but lie tea that can be bitter, it's can still be read, like tea-leaves
and looked into the future in; so as to see what is to come. And still not be a
God-believing vehicule for he who consults it (me). Tea-leaves can be right,
and the Bible predictionsw can still be right even oif God is a lie all around.
Ha ha ha ! "Kill the deer and take his musk" !

I can use Islam, the Bible and whatnot and still be my own man, in my own
faith. I can play all musical instruments ! Ha ha ha !

[Jana Dorje]

Date: 22 Jan 2005 14:21:03 GMT
Date: 22 Jan 2005 10:26:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Hello : Kingdom of Shambala

Post by Gur Ji Gombo
There's this fraud called "Maitreya" that's going to get enthroned in Febuary

(the last week of February). But his case has been researched and the below
link to that enthronement that I sent here earlier last month, has been duly
put into the "Cults" page on Henry's site as I recommended it to be (in the
second link below).

http://www.tibetanfoundation.org/KathmanduDharshanProgram.htm


http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/4886/tbm01.htm


Maitreya "Buddha" here is particularly careful to prepare himself for all
questions that can be adressed him and makes a much better show of it than all
previous frauds like Lobsang Rampa or the like.


He claims that this or that lama has recognized him and produces pages of
various "proof" thereof.


The proof of these "proofs" aren't to be found anywhere, unless directly
adressing the "lamas" in question.


But then his declarations become nothing else but blatant idiocy when
interviewed, and f.ex. when he deals in non-Tibetan things. Even his so-called
Tibetan pages of his sites, are full of strange, bizarre and idiotic things,
mixing all kinds of unseeming New Age c..p with other, apparently Tibetan
Buddhism things; which he's just "picked up" on the way. Henry goes further and
researches some claims about his past that are much more unsavoury even and
which make this personnage much less attractive than some gullible people might
have thought him to be.


Here on ARBT, people are also pretty gullible because when they see frauds they
don't budge much. But there are many, many frauds, so it'd be better, rather
than to research the
world, and unearthing them all, such as Henry bravely does, why not just stick
to the original lamas, the real ones, and see what they, indeed, do authorize
and forbid in terms of reincarnation and recognition ? That delimits the
allowed and the forbidden and does so, for the same amount of effort. All that
has not
been authorized by them is not authorized, period. Thus, rather than by
proceeding to
test all the prooducts around, one just checks the copyright's caracteristics
and one is armed against frauds. One covers one's foot with leather... and thus
enjoys it's smoothness throughout one's trip.


I've said to people that the reincarnation recognition, that I've been given,
was
given by other than lamas such as "Maitreya Buddha" claimed to have been
recognized by. I was recognized by the most learned of present-day lamas,
Phende Kenchen, the head of the second largest Tibetan school, the Ngorpas. He
is the holder of the Gyu De Kun Thus, the holiest of all Tibetan teachings
because it alone can prevent it from disappearing for ever. Without it, Tibetan
Buddhism will disappear for always. My recognition has thus been made by
someone of other caliber and hierarchical status than that fraud. My
recognition was made by the head of the second largest sect of Tibetan
Buddhism. This is important, (even if Tibetan Buddhism has fallen so low
today).
But it mostly means that people who claim to be recognized and don't *really*
have the
proper recognition, are, in truth, crowing atop a heap of manure - because
they're really not recognized by *anyone*. But also, people who claim to
authority in these matters - but are merely mumbling bystanders, - without any
authorized opinion at all, are also "out at sea", as far as comprehending the
"true" workings of Tibetan Tantric Buddhism. Such people are the people of
ARBT, because they are, indeed, totally
unqualified to decide on this - because, despite my having declared this
publically, without any dissimulation of any kind, no one has invalidated or
validated this... which shows the low level of qulification and judgement that
the people of ARBT have. They are unable to judge of what is true and what is
false. They have not been good at dealing with the claims of many people such
as the fake "Maitreya Buddha".... and when it comes to a thirty-three year long
disciple, of the
most holy Tantric Lama of Tibetan Tantric Buddhism, that Phende Kenchen is, and
that disciple's (my) recognition by him, well, it's also the same emptiness and
Big Silence.


It's this Silence of the Lambs and Silence of the Ignorant that I chastize
openly here.


I'm recognized as a reincarnation by the highest authority of the second
largest, (Ngorpa) school and no other Western disciple has had this favour.


That this has not been corrobarated or invalidated by this newsgroup (an
earlier misunderstanding that this was equivalent to a "lama" status was
cleared up to me, very early by Phende Kenchen, in person.) shows the low level
of competence of people here, - and that this has been nevertheless the object
of
covert criticism is also the proof of the low level of understanding of the
truth versus lies, of the people on this newsgroup. Once the sun has emerged
and pierced the cloud-cover, it's light shines forth brilliantly without effort
or obstruction. That the light not be perceived by all, is the sign that there
is another shielding obstruction, that can be the result of the perceiving
party's own dissimulation of the truth.


Buddha said that his truth was available but that it was rather the dust on
peoples' eyes that was the main obstacle at his time.


Thus, it reflects, far more the perceiver of this matter, than the subject of
it : that is me, in this case.>

Yeah ! What's with the recognition of reincarnation ? When am my credentials
going to be finalized and taken into account ? When's this madness going to end
?

[Jana Dorje]

Anyone open this attachment and see what's in it ? I didn't send this.
It's a fake alias there, not mine. I hope no one got infected by some virus and
that if so this fraud can be got. Report back please if news is there to be
read on this. Any info, please ?

[GeirSmith]

"He then received from Phende Khen Rinpoche the monunemtal teaching known as
"The Collection of all the Tantras (Gyu De Kun tus): a comprehensive collection
of all the great initiations with their mandalas and mandala rituals, a rare
teachung of which very few possess the lineage. This instruction lasted three
years"

http://www.sakya-ngor.org/enpages/vierinp1.htm

This excerpt from Phende Kenchen's bio says that teaching takes three years but
he also studied other things during it. The one-year period to give it I've
mentionned is nevertheless maybe a bit short. The Karmapas should maybe provide
for over a year. Just over a year maybe and leave options open.

So start by recognizing my reincarnation as Phende Kenchen has done and then
get the Karmapas out to Taiwan (kicking and dragging them both to the temple
doors if they don't come easy !) to get the teaching, and we'll get the temple
that's needed, the people to man it, and all on the road and ready to go by
next year-Christmas. On the double !

[bawa]

Post by GeirSmith
"He then received from Phende Khen Rinpoche the monunemtal teaching known as
"The Collection of all the Tantras (Gyu De Kun tus): a comprehensive collection
of all the great initiations with their mandalas and mandala rituals, a rare
teachung of which very few possess the lineage. This instruction lasted three
years"
http://www.sakya-ngor.org/enpages/vierinp1.htm
This excerpt from Phende Kenchen's bio says that teaching takes three years but
he also studied other things during it. The one-year period to give it I've
mentionned is nevertheless maybe a bit short. The Karmapas should maybe provide
for over a year. Just over a year maybe and leave options open.
So start by recognizing my reincarnation as Phende Kenchen has done and then
get the Karmapas out to Taiwan (kicking and dragging them both to the temple
doors if they don't come easy !) to get the teaching, and we'll get the temple
that's needed, the people to man it, and all on the road and ready to go by
next year-Christmas. On the double !

This is sent from Googles new beta set-up........

[bawa]

Women can sure not be in the Ngor picture of my school because we're
strict on that and my being a reincarnation can't save things for women
; they can't change their stripes like leopards changing their stripes
and tigers changing their spots (?).

[bawa]

Women can sure not be in the Ngor picture of my school because we're
strict on that and my being a reincarnation can't save things for women
; they can't change their stripes like leopards changing their stripes
and tigers changing their spots (?).

[GeirSmith]

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2005/01/27/2003221142

Cambodia
Meteorite sparks fires
A 4.5kg meteorite which landed in a former Khmer Rouge zone of northwest
Cambodia started fires across rice fields and prayers from villagers who saw it
as a divine omen of peace. "Some farmers are angry with the rock because it
caused fires and destroyed several hundred hectares of their paddy fields,"
said Sok Sareth, police chief of Banteay Meanchey province, around 320km
northwest of the capital, Phnom Penh. "But others asked the police to leave it
where it landed and put it on shrine to pray for peace," he told reporters. The
black lump of celestial rock sent villagers scurrying for cover when it thumped
into the ground in the war-scarred southeast Asian nation on Monday morning.

[bawa]

I know where Tang has gone : he's seen that the Karmapa requests for
the teachings have left him out, ignorant. He's finally gotten around
to reading the links I sent of the Karmapas and now he's attained to
that linking and is surfing on the Karmapa links throughout Tibetan
Buddhism. Thanks to the Karmapas, he's reached a whole new world that
was out of reach for him as long as he was a prisoner of his arrogance
with himself and that he has come over thanks to the Karmapas and their
blessings and of course thanks primarily to me, who put him in that
position to become a learned writer of ARBT.

[bawa]

Post by bawa
I know where Tang has gone : he's seen that the Karmapa requests for
the teachings have left him out, ignorant. He's finally gotten around
to reading the links I sent of the Karmapas and now he's attained to
that linking and is surfing on the Karmapa links throughout Tibetan
Buddhism. Thanks to the Karmapas, he's reached a whole new world that
was out of reach for him as long as he was a prisoner of his

arrogance

Post by bawa
with himself and that he has come over thanks to the Karmapas and their
blessings and of course thanks primarily to me, who put him in that
position to become a learned writer of ARBT.

Is it the lull beofre the storm of the end of the world . Are the end
of times here ? Is the world headed for the wall in terms of ecology,
natural resources, global warming and the perspectives of making it
onto the next century ? The meeting on biodiversity in Paris has said
that in ten years time all the damage wrought on the world by the
Industrialized Revolution will have been equalled. WHat we did in two
hundred years before we'll do in just en now. If nothing is done, it
looks like we're going for being all toast. It looks anywyas like the
meetings of the anti-gloabalization meetings will now make things
bigger and bigger every time bacause this won't just be swept under the
carpet and it' looks like the world has created it's own ecological
ARMAGEDDON for itself because it's moronic, stupid and sinful (that
too!!!). Bwa bwa bwa ! Yippee ! We're all gonna die !!!Find me a bobm
to straddle and go explode somechere on !!! Nirvana by StrangeLove.

[bawa]

bawa wrote:
The meeting on biodiversity in Paris has said

Post by bawa
that in ten years time all the damage wrought on the world by the
Industrialized Revolution will have been equalled. WHat we did in two
hundred years before we'll do in just en now.
snip > Nirvana by StrangeLove.

Lull before the sporm ?

[bawa]

Here's my new site dedicated to cults and fighting them. It's proposed
to become the major resource for cults world-wide.It just does cults
period and nothing else on the side. The cults had better die rather
than incur my wrath. Bwa bwa bwa ! Check it out. Henry's the first
resource to it. But there're loads to load up after that.

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcultshtm.html

Yep, it was a lull; now the storm's here - check it out at the site
there.

[bawa]

Post by bawa
Here's my new site dedicated to cults and fighting them. It's

proposed

Post by bawa
to become the major resource for cults world-wide.It just does cults
period and nothing else on the side. The cults had better die rather
than incur my wrath. Bwa bwa bwa ! Check it out. Henry's the first
resource to it. But there're loads to load up after that.
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcultshtm.html
Yep, it was a lull; now the storm's here - check it out at the site
there.

Excerpt from the site : "I've just started this link so I'll first
indicate a link to a cult-page that deals with cults concerning
Buddhism. Henry Chia reports about cults such as one "Tulku Maitreya"
that sponsors dozens of Tibetan lamas and monks that unwittingly pass
off as his alibis for frauding. This will be the start of a long series
of links to such. Buddhism cannot support such cults and the
association of unwitting bystanders that abett them."
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcults2.html

[bawa]

there're loads to load up after that.

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcultshtm.html
Yep, it was a lull; now the storm's here - check it out at the site
there.

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcults2.html

Thornton said I should post a page with the empowerments proposed on it
for those who want to get along with the Karmapas to ask for them.
That's what I'll do seeing, I'm setting up this anti-cult page. It can
serve both purposes. Being anti-cult and the organizer of empowerments
is compatible and I'd say even complimentary; eh ! Anti-cult followers
of real Buddhism really adhere to the same principles of the two axises
of the site in question. I just have to put it up but it works so afr
so I don't see what can keep me from doing it. Someone could maybe copy
it on their computers to keep from hacking, seeing the cult-people will
probably hate it. Also, Buddhists jealous of those getting the full
Tantric empowerments that will save Buddhism from extinction will
probably also be freaked by this site. Further reason to protect it
utterly and I trust the people on ARBT for that; so that they can
protect their right to know. The time is now for the new world, freed
of cults, and for the preserving of the true and profound Dharma, - is
thus here - and the time of impostors is over, after these last
fourty-some years of anarchy and muddling up the pure tradition of
Tibetan Buddhism world-wide. True and essential Buddhism is the Tantric
Buddhism that made up the core of Tibetan Buddhism and that was watered
down and dispersed during the intermed in India, that was not faithful
to the true Buddhism of Tibet.
I want to start a chat on the page, a blog, and a newsgroup, as well.

[bawa]

Post by bawa
there're loads to load up after that.

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcultshtm.html
Yep, it was a lull; now the storm's here - check it out at the site
there.

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcults2.html

Thornton said I should post a page with the empowerments proposed on it
for those who want to get along with the Karmapas to ask for them.
That's what I'll do seeing, I'm setting up this anti-cult page. It can
serve both purposes. Being anti-cult and the organizer of

empowerments

Post by bawa
is compatible and I'd say even complimentary; eh ! Anti-cult

followers

Post by bawa
of real Buddhism really adhere to the same principles of the two axises
of the site in question. I just have to put it up but it works so afr
so I don't see what can keep me from doing it. Someone could maybe copy
it on their computers to keep from hacking, seeing the cult-people will
probably hate it. Also, Buddhists jealous of those getting the full
Tantric empowerments that will save Buddhism from extinction will
probably also be freaked by this site. Further reason to protect it
utterly and I trust the people on ARBT for that; so that they can
protect their right to know. The time is now for the new world, freed
of cults, and for the preserving of the true and profound Dharma, - is
thus here - and the time of impostors is over, after these last
fourty-some years of anarchy and muddling up the pure tradition of
Tibetan Buddhism world-wide. True and essential Buddhism is the Tantric
Buddhism that made up the core of Tibetan Buddhism and that was watered
down and dispersed during the intermed in India, that was not

faithful

Post by bawa
to the true Buddhism of Tibet.
I want to start a chat on the page, a blog, and a newsgroup, as well.

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html

New page on the site : autobiography. Bwa bwa bwa ! It's linked to the
page # 1. Ha ha ha ! Bust'm cults, eh ?

[bawa]

Ha ha ha ! Moron Tad !

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html

"First I want to say that (I) Geir Smith, was recognized by Phende
Kenchen, in 1999, in Taiwan, as a reincarnation of a Tibetan religious
of the Phende House of Ngor.


Now, waiting for him, Phende Kenchen, to say what that person taht I am
reincarnated from is, it may nevertheless be specified that the Ngor
house of Phende is the representative of the tradition of Ngor that is
the strictest sect of Tibet. It is very strict, due to it's monastic
discipline which suffers no exception. The Ngor monastery was
established in the remote Ngor area, specifically to distance itself
from the market and it's vendors and vendoresses at Sakya - which is
expressedly stated in Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo's biography..


The Ngor school thus represents the deepening of the discipline-ethics
of the Buddha.


In the world, alone, Ngor represents the perfect discipline of the
Buddha's Monks' Sangha, that has been trampled upon by the main
monasteries of the world, by the prevalence of pedofilia.


Ngor has also pushed the monastic ideal to new heights and therebyit's
perfection, by the forbidding of women, banning them from so much as
even merely entering it's boundaraies.


Ngor monks were not expected to, even so much as to speak to women.


If women express themselves nowadays in the name of Ngor, this is
therefore just an allowance, as indeed, this would have been
unthinkable in the time of the founder; Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo, the
predicted Second Buddha of Buddhism. Womens' opinions are thus, just
allowances as they have no role whatsoever to play in the destiny and
making of Ngor's past, present and future, despite that many women now
participate in that. They should not, ultimately, be considered to play
any role in the evolution of Ngor, that is the incarnation of Tantric
teaching in Tibetan Buddhism, which teaching does not slander women,-
this being a root-downfall in Tantrism, - but preserved from such
downfalls precisely by isolating monastic life from any temptation of
women.


Geir Smith, a man, thus, merely by being recognized as a reincarnation
of Ngor, indeed, incarnates the ideal of Buddha's perfection in
Discipline and the obeying of His Word in all fashions without the
least weakness or downfall.


The Tantric ideal of Ngor thus can be faithfully passed down by a man,
in accord with the teachings of Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo at present.


Geir Smith's (my) ideal is thus to pass down the Tantric tradition to
the next generations and my incarnation will serve that. Buddhist
tradition is predicted to be lost in our times (Kalachakra Tantra) and
the invasion of Tibet has showed this with the losing of the pure
tradition in India, lost to the mixing in with local non-Tibetan tribes
in India of the Tibetan community, that is no longer protected from
heretical and non-Buddhist interpretation.


To protect and save Tibetan Buddhism from loss, as can be seen on the
Karmapas' sites whee they request it, the need is there to preserve the
Tantric tradition from being lost. Tantric tradition is kept safe by
the last holder of the lineage from Tibet of the Gyu De Kun Tus, by
Geir Smith's guru, Phende Kenchen. This is the complete and unique
collection of all the Tantras in one teaching.


It is to organize the giving of this sacred teaching - that can take
over a year to give, - that Geir Smith is going to devote his life
because it will save Tibetan Buddhism from loss. Also, doing this
explains and justifies Geir Smith's incarnation from being a Tibetan in
the previous life.


The fight against cults, that this site is devoted to, also serves to
push aside fraudulents that falsify and muddy the Buddha's Doctrine in
this time of need for purity and clear direction in the Teaching.


This introduction to my biography here serves to orient people as to
the Ngor school of my reincarnation and to the objectives of my school
which is to do the good of all sentient beings that need these
teachings that are the saviours of Tibetan Buddhism and thereby all of
Buddhism. Tibetan Buddhism is indeed, by far the most scholarly of all
Buddhist schools. Buddhism being a tolerant and compassionate religion,
the need for this teaching to be continued is thus necessary, for
indeed, otherwise, beings will be abaondoned. Other religions are not
such as it, and will only bring upon the world rage and destruction. No
other religion in the world is as kind and benevolent as Buddhism.
Other religions are far more agressive and intolerant - and wreak great
suffering on beings. There must be a continuation of Buddhism to offset
the evil of other philosophies that are prevalent in modern times.


Geir Smith's biography thus, starts in the Untited States. he was born
in Naw Haven, Conn. Sept. 11 1955.... "

[bawa]

Feeding in the pages from my site as fast as I can make them. The good
thing is they're there for good now and not pop-up and offs like at
ARBT. We can coin the new expression after Tang's fluff" : "Puff-on
(pop-up and off) Buddhism" (that's what ARBT is) I just need to start
links up to all the pages to make the site work. Also, I have to get
the blogs, and newsgroups going. Yahoo ! Groups
etc....anti-cults....Gyu De Kun Tus' Yahoo ! Group...etc....

Excerpt from my site (my bio):

"Geir Smith : The autobiography

Geir Smith's autobiography begins in the United States :

First I want to say that (I) Geir Smith, was recognized by Phende
Kenchen, in 1999, in Taiwan, as a reincarnation of a Tibetan religious
of the Phende House of Ngor.


Now, while waiting for him, Phende Kenchen, to say what and who that
person that I am reincarnated from, is, it is in order for me,
meanwhile to specifiy that the Ngor house of Phende is the
representative of the tradition of Ngor, and that this is the strictest
sect of Tibet. It is so, due to it's monastic discipline, which suffers
no exception. The Ngor monastery was established in the remote Ngor
area, specifically to distance itself from the market and it's vendors
- and vendoresses - at Sakya. This is specifically written in Ngorchen
Kunga Zangpo's biography..


The Ngor school, thus, represents the deepening of the
discipline-ethics of the Buddha.


In the world, alone, Ngor represents the perfect discipline of the
Buddha's Monks' Sangha, that has been trampled upon by the main
monasteries of the world, by the prevalence of pedofilia.


Ngor has also pushed the monastic ideal to new heights, and thereby
it's perfection, by the forbidding of women, banning them from even so
much - as merely entering the monastery's boundaraies.


Ngor monks were not expected to even as much as speak to women.


If women express themselves nowadays, in the name of Ngor, this is
therefore just an allowance, as indeed, this would have been
unthinkable in the time of the founder; Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo, the
predicted Second Buddha of Buddhism. Womens' opinions are thus, just
allowances as they have no role whatsoever to play in the destiny and
making of Ngor's past, present and future, despite that many women now
participate in that. They should not, ultimately, be considered to play
any role in the evolution of Ngor, that is the incarnation of Tantric
teaching in Tibetan Buddhism, which teaching does not slander women,-
this being a root-downfall in Tantrism, - but preserved from such
downfalls precisely by isolating monastic life from any temptation of
women and any contact with women and - thus any opportunity for such
downfall. The problem is thus solved at the root, as Ngorchen Kunga
Zangpo had propounded it in his time.


Geir Smith, a man, thus, merely by being recognized as a reincarnation
of Ngor, indeed, incarnates the ideal of Buddha's perfection in
Discipline and the obeying of His Word in all fashions, without the
least weakness or downfall.


The Tantric ideal of Ngor thus can be faithfully passed down by a man,
in accord with the teachings of Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo, at present.


Geir Smith's (my) ideal is thus, to pass down the Tantric tradition to
the next generations, and (his) my incarnation will serve that.
Buddhist tradition is predicted to be lost in our times (stated in the
Kalachakra Tantra) and the invasion of Tibet has showed this with the
losing of the pure tradition in India, lost to the mixing in with local
non-Tibetan tribes in India, by the Tibetan community, that is no
longer protected from heretical and non-Buddhist interpretation.


The hierarchy of Buddhism follows the layers that it describes within
our Ngorpa school. At my master's time, one sees that there are senior
students of the masters that have propounded the Teaching, such as
Chogye Trichen who has taught the Gyu De Kun Tus. But now he is old and
can no longer give this long teaching.


After him, one sees Phende Kenchen is younger and is now the only
holder of the Gyu De Kun Tus seeing, indeed, that Chogye Trichen no
longer can give it. The younger generation of students (Phende
Kenchen's) thus continue the tradition and this time outside of India,
seeing Phende Kenchen left India because he realized that life there
was impossible. The defects of India are too numerous to number.


Life is no good there. Both materially and intellectually it is
imossible to live in India and Tibetans 's karma is not good to be in
that country. The best Tibetans had to leave so as to ensure the
continuation of Buddha's Teaching.


Hindus in India would destroy it without any qualms and they are
endeavouring to do that right now. Conditions of life in India, are too
aweful to be accepted by Tibetans who can conceive of escaping from
that misery. The only ones that remain are those that cannot leave for
various karmic reasons and are stuck there.


Likewise, after time has passed and many students of our Sangha are now
very old, I of the younger strata of disciples, have the burden of
continuing the work of the temple. I do this by devoting myself to the
continuing of the lineage of the Gyu De Kun Tus of Chogye Trichen and
Phende Kenchen's tradition.


To protect and save Tibetan Buddhism from loss, it is needed to
preserve it. As can be seen on the Karmapas' sites, they request
teachings from the last holder of the lineage from Tibet of the Gyu De
Kun Tus, Geir Smith's guru : Phende Kenchen. This teaching is the
complete and unique collection of all the Tantras brought together in
one teaching.


This site is thus the place to make this known widely to the world, and
it will be broadcast everywhere to ensure that goal. I want to create
a news media on this page, including newsgroups, blogs, and a news line
for the whole world covering Buddhist, ecological, and associated other
topics.


It is to organize the giving of this sacred teaching - that can take
over a year to give, - that Geir Smith is going to devote this, his new
life - because it will save Tibetan Buddhism from loss. Also, doing
this, explains and justifies Geir Smith's incarnation from having been
a Tibetan in his previous life. Organizing this and various other
activities such as pilgrimages can thus be discussed and set afoot
right here.


The fight against cults, that this site is devoted to, also serves to
push aside fraudulents that falsify and muddy the Buddha's Doctrine in
this time of need for purity and clear direction in the Teaching.
Senseless defying or misconstruing of Buddha's Teaching, as done in
cults, cannot be useful to sincere but uninformed, innocent people.
Attacking cults, thus, makes things perfectly clear to all what
difference there is between real Buddhism and the falsness of frauds
and cults.


This introduction to my biography here serves to orient people as to
the Ngor school of my reincarnation, and to the objectives of my school
which are to do the good of all sentient beings exclusively, which
beings do need these teachings. These teachings, (The Gyu De Kun Tus)
are the saviours of Tibetan Buddhism and thereby all of Buddhism,
Tibetan Buddhism being the most learned of Buddhist
teaching-traditions.


If Tibetan Buddhism disappears, the whole of Buddhism loses it's heart
and highest level of erudiiton. Tibetan Buddhism is indeed, by far the
most scholarly of all Buddhist schools. Buddhism, being a tolerant and
compassionate religion, the need for this teaching to be continued is
necessary, for indeed otherwise, beings will be abandoned. This is part
of the compassionate mission of assistance to suffering beings.


Other religions are not such as it is, and only bring upon the world,
as often as not, rage and destruction. No other religion in the world
is as kind and benevolent as Buddhism. Other religions are far more
agressive and intolerant - and wreak great suffering on beings. There
must be a continuation of Buddhism to offset the evil of other
philosophies that are prevalent in modern times.


Geir Smith's biography thus, starts in the United States. he was born
in New Haven, Conn. Sept. 11 1955....to be continued shortly..please
bear with me in the meantime. Geir Smith."

[bawa]

Post by bawa
Feeding in the pages from my site as fast as I can make them. The good
thing is they're there for good now and not pop-up and offs like at
ARBT. We can coin the new expression after Tang's fluff" : "Puff-on
(pop-up and off) Buddhism" (that's what ARBT is) I just need to start
links up to all the pages to make the site work. Also, I have to get
the blogs, and newsgroups going. Yahoo ! Groups
etc....anti-cults....Gyu De Kun Tus' Yahoo ! Group...etc....

My site that's newly been set up, makes it possible to have things up
permanently; so that the things about the Karmapas and their requests
for the teachings from my guru, Phende Kenchen, can be circulated on
the web and thus passed on to the Karmapas themselves or consulted by
them and their followers if they hadn't clearly received it or seen it
already on ARBT - and the talking about that here on my site can happen
: either by posts with them or by getting together on the newsgroups
and blogs, etc...that I'm setting up on it as well. Thus, information
can go one way and feed-back can come back again. Thus, indeed, the
teaching can be organized for both the Karmapas and for Tibetan
Buddhism in general, at large. Bev Thornton's idea of setting up a
permaent page that can be reposted periodically and held up-to-date via
regular postings to ARBT has indeed been heeded by me and I've found it
good and the best thing to do. I've also associated that with the
thought of furnishing on it my biography that's I'm setting up slowly,
and also a page (or pages) on the various cults that are polluting
Buddhism b y their existences. It's thus a combo of explosive positive
action for spirituality and the progress of humanity and all sentient
beings in general !

[bawa]

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
Feeding in the pages from my site as fast as I can make them. The

good

Post by bawa
thing is they're there for good now and not pop-up and offs like at
ARBT. We can coin the new expression after Tang's fluff" : "Puff-on
(pop-up and off) Buddhism" (that's what ARBT is) I just need to start
links up to all the pages to make the site work. Also, I have to get
the blogs, and newsgroups going. Yahoo ! Groups
etc....anti-cults....Gyu De Kun Tus' Yahoo ! Group...etc....

My site that's newly been set up, makes it possible to have things up
permanently; so that the things about the Karmapas and their requests
for the teachings from my guru, Phende Kenchen, can be circulated on
the web and thus passed on to the Karmapas themselves or consulted by
them and their followers if they hadn't clearly received it or seen it
already on ARBT - and the talking about that here on my site can happen
: either by posts with them or by getting together on the newsgroups
and blogs, etc...that I'm setting up on it as well. Thus, information
can go one way and feed-back can come back again. Thus, indeed, the
teaching can be organized for both the Karmapas and for Tibetan
Buddhism in general, at large. Bev Thornton's idea of setting up a
permaent page that can be reposted periodically and held up-to-date via
regular postings to ARBT has indeed been heeded by me and I've found it
good and the best thing to do. I've also associated that with the
thought of furnishing on it my biography that's I'm setting up

slowly,

Post by bawa
and also a page (or pages) on the various cults that are polluting
Buddhism b y their existences. It's thus a combo of explosive

positive

Post by bawa
action for spirituality and the progress of humanity and all sentient
beings in general !

I have a post ready but still in correcting process that's a hell of a
post and chews through the relation of our lama's wife who denied the
lama's recognizing me but also went so far as to declare that "he just
said it like that and it means nothing". The post in preparation leaves
nothing aside and if one thinks that being overrespectful to the guru
is wrong, well then one won't be disappointed because I am sure not
respectful in that post and say things in an honest and "no kid-gloves"
manner. This is the coming of age of Geir Smith and the coming out of
the reincarnation because people who want to block that are now on the
grill. Be a day or two at most in coming and will be on my bio-page.
Patience, don't despair, I'm on the way : just need laundering.

[bawa]

Bwa bwa bwa !

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[bawa]

Sprucing up the bio, anti-cult, organizing Gyu De Kun Tus
teaching-site, due out and ready for better and bigger adventures soon.

[bawa]

Post by Kalachakrapa
Bwa bwa bwa !
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New links and a lot more goodies ! enjoy...

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html

Geir Smith's autobiography begins in the United States :
Geir Smith : Autobiography


Warning. This, the "Good for Nothing" Rinpoche's, the Cry Baby
Rinpoche's biography, as presented here, is just a jotted-down version
that will be primped up later. This is the Pony Express version,the
time when no roads yet exist but the information "must get through" at
any cost.


This is the site of a man, Geir Smith, who has been trodden upon by all
and assailed by jealous people from all sides. He is truely the one who
has lived the life of the last miserable on earth. Because he is
intelligent and handsome, his attempts at scholarship and genius are
not permitted; but answered with a constant and unceasing flow of
attack. The main aspects of that attack are answered to, below. A
non-violent Buddhist, he has let this go for about thirty-five years;
but now it's enough. Like Rambo, it all wells up inside and "Enough
!!!" His basic nature of being a fighter, that nature comes out. And
in pure Tantric form, he has set up this battling-Buddhist site. It
will reveal both Mahakala, the Tantric deities of the pantheon, and all
the others as well.


Here is this page shortened, the "Next"-link due out shortly, and then
shortly too, a # 2 and # 3 page lined to such" links".


"First I want to say that (I) Geir Smith, was recognized by Phende
Kenchen, in 1999, in Taiwan, as a reincarnation of a Tibetan religious
of the Phende House of Ngor. Only one teaching now includes all of
Tibetan Tantric Buddhism's Secret lineage and only one old master still
holds this lineage today. That master, who accepts to teach both of the
Karmapas, (who have requested that teaching very recently) is Phende
Kenchen, my master. My house is the lower right one to the "Ngor E-Wam
Phende Ling" temple.


Note : the lineage of the Gyu De Kun Tus in India is not the direct
lineage from Tibet. That is only in the possession of Phende Kenchen,
now that Chogye Trichen, the other one holding it, can no longer can
give it due to age. The only two masters to have received the direct
lineage from Tibet were them. No other masters received it and in India
now, it is falsely claimed as being possible to be obtained. This site
is here to put an end to this, and to say clearly what kind of fakes
these people making false claims are. And this site will not go away :
the problem will not be able to be swept under some carpet. The fake
claims better be discontiuned immediately, because otherwise, I'll
start naming people who are doing it !!!!


The perpetuating of the teaching of these Tantras, thus, relies
exclusively on them, and not on other masters who falsely claim to do
so. The Karmapas must thus receive the direct lineage from them (which
means Phende Kenchen exclusively now), so as to be able to avert the
cursed prediction of their losing their sect's lineage in our times,
that was made by Jamgon Kongtrul, the teacher of the Gyu De Kun Tus.
The cursed prodiction of Jamgon Kongtrul thus weighs on the two
Karmapas' shoulders. To avert Jamgon Kongtrul's cursed prediction, the
Karmapas must obtain the Gyu De Kun Tus teaching from, as I say, the
sole holder of it, today : Phende Kenchen. I am thus organizing the
giving of this teaching by the present site and will create a newsgroup
(soon linked) to exchange information, so as to deal with the details
of the organization, and to thereby get the feedback from those who
want to receive this teaching,... and organize it within the next year.
Indeed, all the details must be seen to with precision, and I need to
get answers from all participants, earliest out, even before the
organizing is complete.


My recognition as a reincarnation has proved difficult because the
lama's wife put forth that this was not even the case. She went so far
as to say and that the lama had said this without it having any meaning
and this was not to be taken as he said or at face value. (She said
that the perfectly realized Buddha, that is my guru, didn't know what
he was saying !!!! She didn't say he was mad, but that may still come
!!!!) After some back and forth, it was clarified indeed, clearly and
all together, that he had said I was *really* a reincarnation. But, he
also said that he didn't recognize me as a "lama".


Now, this was not the only such incident of mistaking and/or
misunderstanding : he said to me that the Lam Dre edition that I
sponsored in France in 1998 had not even got his name on it while he
was it's author !!! He thought this was completely preposterous. Now
the person who drew up the edition was his very wife. The author was
said, in it, to be Ngorchen Kunchok Lhundrup, the ancient author of the
original. Phende Kenchen said forcefully : "Kunchok Lhundrup is dead
now. I'm here. I wrote this book. Where is Konchok Lhundrup now ? In
Dewa Chen." So, even Phende Kenchen's work itself is not recognized and
given it's dues. HIs wife said/likes to say that what she said/says and
what the lama said/says was the same and that her word was to be taken
as his. But given that his name is not even recognized to be the books'
authors, and that my reincarnation recognition by him is not openly
accepted by her (and disgracefully - if at all...right now it's "not at
all"...this site should change all that, seeing it's up and running
round the clock...night-birds should thus disappear now !!!!) I really
have a lot of difficulty in understanding this troubled speech-impeding
going on, and that and that makes for Phende Kkenchen's communication
through his wife looking like the left hand does not know what the
right one is doing. I feel sad because this reminds of the murky
going-ons one sees in films like "Kundun" where lobbies go to great
lengths to hinder or favour candidates to posts, in view of their
personal agendas or motives. Buddhism and religion should not be the
field of personal political positioning for power. Buddha rejected
power, gain and benefit.


I respect the wife of the lama, but recently *she* and the lama told me
not to be kow-towing or reverently over-respectful to him. I'm hereby,
not being over-respectful to persons of our temple, in the person of
his wife. Thus, I'm following what they said which is to say openly
what I think - quietly inside,- instead of being over-respectful and
kow-towing. But in this case, it's to the lama that I give my trust,
seeing that, both in the case of the book, and in that of my
reincarnation, he's the one to call the shots. As I explain below, in
any case, in Ngor, the temple we belong to, no woman calls the shots as
to the temple because as he explained to us when Phende Kenchen first
came to the West, women were not so much as admitted within Ngor.


Now, my sister Hege, also did Ngor a disfavour when in late 1978
approximately, she dealt it a blow by saying that Buddhists were not
allowed to stay at the apartment in Paris that I had lent to my temple
to use. Thus, she took sides with people who had no authority to kick
us out, being merely the door-keeper to the apartment and she used her
authority to take this decision without consideration for the results
on those that were affected by this. Women thus have, several times,
done wrong to Ngor and this must stop now. Ngorchen banned women from
Ngor, and thus again, they must not be allowed to harm the work of Ngor
or of it's heads like my, guru Phende Kenchen. My sister evokes her
husband as the cause of her deed and he is a mixed half-breed
English-Frenchman of uncertain origin. So, this is why she claims that
some confusion set in. So, she says he is responsible. But this is too
little and too late because it's done now and I can't accept that. And
all the less so, that it's been thirty-some years. Things have gotten a
lot worse for the years passing by.


The first years were OK because of it being fresh and not realizing the
impact of the deed they carried out there, buth then with time it
started sinking in that evil only gets worse with time and one cannot
escape from one's past. Thus, justice must be done and I demand it !
Being Buddhist and pardoning, goes through this process of looking at
the past deeds squarely, like a man, and not hiding like a child,
unable to look at the deeds. Being a Buddhist, and pardoning, means
pardoning oneself, first of all, and this process of self-pardoning, is
one my sister must do, and that I'll help her do here by broadcasting,
as a meditation-basis for all, the example of what is to be avoided in
not assaulting the Buddha Dharma like they did under my sister's
tutelage, back in the past. This is the basic Buddhist practise of
rejecting and accepting : Pang Lang


Countless beings were prevented from practising and thereby attaining
Enlightenment by that deed. It is grave; along the lines of the Chinese
invasion of Tibet.... on a relative scale of importance. Being totally
unrepentant about it as they are, and further claiming to me that what
they did was the right thing, and one which they'd do again if it were
today makes it now necessary for me to take some measure of reaction
and to answer them via this site now. This is a means to answer and for
that answer to be available and visible to all. Indeed, this matter
touches not me alone, but all the people that also were treated in
similar way, as well as the lama himself, and through him, the whole
Ngor school. Stamped out in Tibet, it was again badly treated in France
with this incident, and then again by someone of no authorized French
origin, being a half blood English-French immigrant, and not a real,
pure French, and thus no better than the impure Chinese murderous
criminals without any respect for learning, culture (nor, -in their
case -, just plain human life).


Now, while waiting for him, Phende Kenchen, to say what and who that
person that I am reincarnated from, is, it is in order for me,
meanwhile to specifiy that the Ngor house of Phende is the
representative of the tradition of Ngor, and that this is the strictest
sect of Tibet. It is so, due to it's monastic discipline, which suffers
no exception. The Ngor monastery was established in the remote Ngor
area, specifically to distance itself from the market and it's vendors
- and vendoresses - at Sakya. This is specifically written in Ngorchen
Kunga Zangpo's biography..


The Ngor school, thus, represents the deepening of the
discipline-ethics of the Buddha.


In the world, alone, Ngor represents the perfect discipline of the
Buddha's Monks' Sangha, that has been trampled upon by the main
monasteries of the world, by the prevalence of pedofilia.


Ngor has also pushed the monastic ideal to new heights, and thereby
it's perfection, by the forbidding of women, banning them from even so
much - as merely entering the monastery's boundaraies.


Ngor monks were not expected to even as much as speak to women.


If women express themselves nowadays, in the name of Ngor, this is
therefore just an allowance, as indeed, this would have been
unthinkable in the time of the founder; Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo, the
predicted Second Buddha of Buddhism.


Womens' opinions are thus, just allowances as they have no role
whatsoever to play in the destiny and making of Ngor's past, present
and future, despite that many women now participate in that. They
should not, ultimately, be considered to play any role in the evolution
of Ngor, that is the incarnation of Tantric teaching in Tibetan
Buddhism, which teaching does not slander women,- this being a
root-downfall in Tantrism, - but preserved from such downfalls
precisely by isolating monastic life from any temptation of women and
any contact with women and - thus any opportunity for such downfall.
The problem is thus solved at the root, as Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo had
propounded it in his time.


Geir Smith, a man, thus, merely by being recognized as a reincarnation
of Ngor, indeed, incarnates the ideal of Buddha's perfection in
Discipline and the obeying of His Word in all fashions, without the
least weakness or downfall. The Tantric ideal of Ngor thus can be
faithfully passed down by a man, in accord with the teachings of
Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo, at present. Many schools praise their founders
as "Second Buddhas" in Buddhism, but in Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo's case,
this is no mere praise, because his work has been to protect the
essence of the moral ethic of Buddhism and His monastic institution.
He, Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo, is thus different from other founders of
schools, because
the monastic body is the condition of Buddhism's existing in our
world. Without it, and when it disappears, Buddha has said that
Buddhism, in turn, will also disappear.


Geir Smith's (my) ideal is thus, to pass down the Tantric tradition to
the next generations, and (his) my incarnation will serve that.
Buddhist tradition is predicted to be lost in our times (stated in the
Kalachakra Tantra) and the invasion of Tibet has showed this with the
losing of the pure tradition in India, lost to the mixing in with local
non-Tibetan tribes in India, by the Tibetan community, that is no
longer protected from heretical and non-Buddhist interpretation.


The hierarchy of Buddhism follows the layers that it describes within
our Ngorpa school. At my master's time, one sees that there are senior
students of the masters that have propounded the Teaching, such as
Chogye Trichen who has taught the Gyu De Kun Tus. But now he is old and
can no longer give this long teaching. After him, one sees Phende
Kenchen is younger and is now the only holder of the Gyu De Kun Tus
seeing, indeed, that Chogye Trichen no longer can give it. The younger
generation of students (Phende Kenchen's) thus continue the tradition
and this time outside of India, seeing Phende Kenchen left India
because he realized that life there was impossible. The defects of
India are too numerous to number.


Life is no good there. Both materially and intellectually it is
impossible to live in India. The Tibetans 's karma is not good because
they live in that country. Indians have bad karma and are a bad
incarnation. It is an evil karma to be rebornas an Indian. The Buddha
reviled the evil of being reborn what Indians think is best : a
Brahman. This is the epitome of evil : heresy par excellence. The
summum of badness. Al least it is the example par excellence of
Buddhism's aim of what is to be avoided and to be stomped underfoot..
The best Tibetans had to leave so as to ensure the continuation of
Buddha's Teaching.


Hindus in India would destroy it without any qualms and they are
endeavouring to do that right now. Conditions of life in India, are too
aweful to be accepted by Tibetans who can conceive of escaping from
that misery. The only ones that remain are those that cannot leave for
various karmic reasons and are stuck there.


Likewise, after time has passed and many students of our Sangha are now
very old, I of the younger strata of disciples, have the burden of
continuing the work of the temple. I do this by devoting myself to the
continuing of the lineage of the Gyu De Kun Tus of Chogye Trichen and
Phende Kenchen's tradition.


..to be continued shortly..please bear with me in the meantime...Geir
Smith....

[bawa]

New addition today :


The cult-page.
"The Planetary Enthronement" of so-called Jetsun Gyalwa Jampa Gompo,
The Buddha Maitreya (the Messiah and Jesus Resurrected, Burp..)
postponed for six months - at least. Why ? Because little boy Tulku
Maitreya there couldn't take the heat. Ha ha ha ! Talk about a
god-figure !!! They say "when the going gets tough the tough get
going". Fake-Messiah there seems rather to have "slowed down !!!
abruptly when the tough got going". What makes these guys tick to
continue with such absurd "trips" ? Do they ever feel ridiculous ?
Maybe ?
Read it....





http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcultshtm.html

[bawa]

Check out the "The Planetary Enthronement" CANCELLATION !!!
http://tibetanfoundation.org/Dharshans.htm This is a riot. I was
squeamy about a guy going to pay his way to that enthronement with the
bystanders at Swayambu Stupa. This was really ripping off the Buddha
because that's a very holy place, one of the most so in the world and
particularly so in Nepal where it's in the top of the holiest. I would
have thrown the idiot off the hill (Swayambu's on a high hill, up in
the sky !). Well, it's like Mahakala was there to protect that from
happening and the idiot got his, - worse than could be.

This is great stuff and people don't realize we're living heady days
like when Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis got on stage every night to
boogie. This could be great scenario stuff for Hollywood and will be
mark my word in a few years. I see Steve Martin as the Messiah-loser
here : cancelling his planetary enthronement and probably fighting some
court-battle with his ex-cultees on the side. This is stuff that's so
good that even Tad couldn't think it up; and screen-writers pay this
kind of stuff with gold-bars, it's so good. True stories are always
bigger than life, because nobody could invent them. "Chase away nature
and it comes make with a vengeance" is a French saying : it's about
things that are artificial not being naturally forthcoming and not even
just plain workable. Nature always takes it's revenge on humans. Mark
my word, when we run out of petrol in ten years, watch my word...I told
you so.

It looks like the deities of Tantrik Buddhism are watching and
protecting their own, with a vengeance. The sites of Buddhism in India
are all going to pot with criminals all around them now. This is the
sign of the end of times or what. Nothing can be more rotten than that
: crime and arson at the holy places : the liife-strem of religion.
Tibetans in India are done for anywyas because of the bad karma there.
Ordinary Tibetans must be blown away in such an environment and with
little religion to bolster against the evil around them. Gosh ! Tough !
I feel for our sect there and all the others too. Happy New Year !
Despite the bad omens. This is also not a good omen year, so pray....

At least one good sign (and maybe also one of sizable dimension) is
that that fraud at the top of this post was cancelled and probably
totally disgraced by this all. Anyways his so-called enthronement got a
bad omen on it, in any case, and that said to all, - sending that
signal,- that his "holiness" was not as speckless as claimed, so as to
ward off the world's traumas. As the Buddha turned all worldy weopons
into flowers at his Enlghtenment. This guy sure had real weapons making
him defecate in his dress. And running for Momma's apron-strings.
Coward ! Bad karma is what you have and that is all that's sure to be
learnt from this lesson for a motron like you, Mister Tulku (rather Mr
Stupid !) ! SHow you to play around with the faiths of people you don't
respect !

Post by bawa
The cult-page.
"The Planetary Enthronement" of so-called Jetsun Gyalwa Jampa Gompo,
The Buddha Maitreya (the Messiah and Jesus Resurrected, Burp..)
postponed for six months - at least. Why ? Because little boy Tulku
Maitreya there couldn't take the heat. Ha ha ha ! Talk about a
god-figure !!! They say "when the going gets tough the tough get
going". Fake-Messiah there seems rather to have "slowed down !!!
abruptly when the tough got going". What makes these guys tick to
continue with such absurd "trips" ? Do they ever feel ridiculous ?
Maybe ?
Read it....
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcultshtm.html

[bawa]

Post by bawa
Check out the "The Planetary Enthronement" CANCELLATION !!!
http://tibetanfoundation.org/Dharshans.htm This is a riot. I was
squeamy about a guy going to pay his way to that enthronement with the
bystanders at Swayambu Stupa. This was really ripping off the Buddha
because that's a very holy place, one of the most so in the world and
particularly so in Nepal where it's in the top of the holiest. I would
have thrown the idiot off the hill (Swayambu's on a high hill, up in
the sky !). Well, it's like Mahakala was there to protect that from
happening and the idiot got his, - worse than could be.
This is great stuff and people don't realize we're living heady days
like when Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis got on stage every night to
boogie. This could be great scenario stuff for Hollywood and will be
mark my word in a few years. I see Steve Martin as the Messiah-loser
here : cancelling his planetary enthronement and probably fighting some
court-battle with his ex-cultees on the side. This is stuff that's so
good that even Tad couldn't think it up; and screen-writers pay this
kind of stuff with gold-bars, it's so good. True stories are always
bigger than life, because nobody could invent them. "Chase away nature
and it comes make with a vengeance" is a French saying : it's about
things that are artificial not being naturally forthcoming and not even
just plain workable. Nature always takes it's revenge on humans. Mark
my word, when we run out of petrol in ten years, watch my word...I told
you so.
It looks like the deities of Tantrik Buddhism are watching and
protecting their own, with a vengeance. The sites of Buddhism in India
are all going to pot with criminals all around them now. This is the
sign of the end of times or what. Nothing can be more rotten than that
: crime and arson at the holy places : the liife-strem of religion.
Tibetans in India are done for anywyas because of the bad karma there.
Ordinary Tibetans must be blown away in such an environment and with
little religion to bolster against the evil around them. Gosh ! Tough !
I feel for our sect there and all the others too. Happy New Year !
Despite the bad omens. This is also not a good omen year, so pray....
At least one good sign (and maybe also one of sizable dimension) is
that that fraud at the top of this post was cancelled and probably
totally disgraced by this all. Anyways his so-called enthronement got a
bad omen on it, in any case, and that said to all, - sending that
signal,- that his "holiness" was not as speckless as claimed, so as to
ward off the world's traumas. As the Buddha turned all worldy weopons
into flowers at his Enlghtenment. This guy sure had real weapons making
him defecate in his dress. And running for Momma's apron-strings.
Coward ! Bad karma is what you have and that is all that's sure to be
learnt from this lesson for a motron like you, Mister Tulku (rather Mr
Stupid !) ! SHow you to play around with the faiths of people you don't
respect !

Post by bawa
The cult-page.
"The Planetary Enthronement" of so-called Jetsun Gyalwa Jampa Gompo,
The Buddha Maitreya (the Messiah and Jesus Resurrected, Burp..)
postponed for six months - at least. Why ? Because little boy Tulku
Maitreya there couldn't take the heat. Ha ha ha ! Talk about a
god-figure !!! They say "when the going gets tough the tough get
going". Fake-Messiah there seems rather to have "slowed down !!!
abruptly when the tough got going". What makes these guys tick to
continue with such absurd "trips" ? Do they ever feel ridiculous ?
Maybe ?
Read it....
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcultshtm.html

I'm writing up my biography and the theme coming up on it is naturally
that the lama's wife is completely crazy because she not only is
denigrating, and undermining the lama, her husband, the father of her
three sons, the recognizer of them three - and also of me,- and the
head of the Ngor school and a fully realized Buddha and whammo she's
denigrating all that. That's crazy for sure. It's crazy to do that
because the Buddhist texts all say that the only way followed by all
the three Buddhas of the three times so as to attain fully realized
Liberation is the guru and none other exist so she's definitely around
the bend.

She's alienating the guru and undermining his recognition of me so she
undemmines him not me and by that she undermines herself so she's
definitely mad because swho undermines oneself ? The mad ones. Pass
this on to her and the Sakya sites of the world because she's been at
it for thirty years now and I think time has come to stop it and relax
a bit. She made the whole French Sakya nutty.
They're like backwards bozos now, like Jerry Lewises.

Send this on to all the Sakyas worldwide because the end of her madness
is here and should be made known. Maddies should not be let to open
their mouths. Send my pages at the site because it's adding up and
there's are a lot of pages there now, and they're getting pretty heavy
now and hard-hitting. Let them rip it ! Geir, the saviour of the
Ngorpas, from stupid and mad women.

[bawa]

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
Check out the "The Planetary Enthronement" CANCELLATION !!!
http://tibetanfoundation.org/Dharshans.htm This is a riot. I was
squeamy about a guy going to pay his way to that enthronement with

the

Post by bawa
bystanders at Swayambu Stupa. This was really ripping off the Buddha
because that's a very holy place, one of the most so in the world and
particularly so in Nepal where it's in the top of the holiest. I

would

Post by bawa
have thrown the idiot off the hill (Swayambu's on a high hill, up in
the sky !). Well, it's like Mahakala was there to protect that from
happening and the idiot got his, - worse than could be.
This is great stuff and people don't realize we're living heady days
like when Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis got on stage every night to
boogie. This could be great scenario stuff for Hollywood and will be
mark my word in a few years. I see Steve Martin as the

Messiah-loser

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
here : cancelling his planetary enthronement and probably fighting

some

Post by bawa
court-battle with his ex-cultees on the side. This is stuff that's so
good that even Tad couldn't think it up; and screen-writers pay this
kind of stuff with gold-bars, it's so good. True stories are always
bigger than life, because nobody could invent them. "Chase away

nature

Post by bawa
and it comes make with a vengeance" is a French saying : it's about
things that are artificial not being naturally forthcoming and not

even

Post by bawa
just plain workable. Nature always takes it's revenge on humans. Mark
my word, when we run out of petrol in ten years, watch my word...I

told

Post by bawa
you so.
It looks like the deities of Tantrik Buddhism are watching and
protecting their own, with a vengeance. The sites of Buddhism in

India

Post by bawa
are all going to pot with criminals all around them now. This is the
sign of the end of times or what. Nothing can be more rotten than

that

Post by bawa
: crime and arson at the holy places : the liife-strem of religion.
Tibetans in India are done for anywyas because of the bad karma

there.

Post by bawa
Ordinary Tibetans must be blown away in such an environment and with
little religion to bolster against the evil around them. Gosh !

Tough

Post by Kalachakrapa
!

Post by bawa
I feel for our sect there and all the others too. Happy New Year !
Despite the bad omens. This is also not a good omen year, so

pray....

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
At least one good sign (and maybe also one of sizable dimension) is
that that fraud at the top of this post was cancelled and probably
totally disgraced by this all. Anyways his so-called enthronement

got

Post by Kalachakrapa
a

Post by bawa
bad omen on it, in any case, and that said to all, - sending that
signal,- that his "holiness" was not as speckless as claimed, so as

to

Post by bawa
ward off the world's traumas. As the Buddha turned all worldy weopons
into flowers at his Enlghtenment. This guy sure had real weapons

making

Post by bawa
him defecate in his dress. And running for Momma's apron-strings.
Coward ! Bad karma is what you have and that is all that's sure to be
learnt from this lesson for a motron like you, Mister Tulku (rather

Mr

Post by bawa
Stupid !) ! SHow you to play around with the faiths of people you

don't

Post by bawa
respect !

Post by bawa
The cult-page.
"The Planetary Enthronement" of so-called Jetsun Gyalwa Jampa

Gompo,

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
The Buddha Maitreya (the Messiah and Jesus Resurrected, Burp..)
postponed for six months - at least. Why ? Because little boy Tulku
Maitreya there couldn't take the heat. Ha ha ha ! Talk about a
god-figure !!! They say "when the going gets tough the tough get
going". Fake-Messiah there seems rather to have "slowed down !!!
abruptly when the tough got going". What makes these guys tick to
continue with such absurd "trips" ? Do they ever feel ridiculous ?
Maybe ?
Read it....
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcultshtm.html

I'm writing up my biography and the theme coming up on it is

naturally

Post by Kalachakrapa
that the lama's wife is completely crazy because she not only is
denigrating, and undermining the lama, her husband, the father of her
three sons, the recognizer of them three - and also of me,- and the
head of the Ngor school and a fully realized Buddha and whammo she's
denigrating all that. That's crazy for sure. It's crazy to do that
because the Buddhist texts all say that the only way followed by all
the three Buddhas of the three times so as to attain fully realized
Liberation is the guru and none other exist so she's definitely around
the bend.
She's alienating the guru and undermining his recognition of me so she
undemmines him not me and by that she undermines herself so she's
definitely mad because swho undermines oneself ? The mad ones. Pass
this on to her and the Sakya sites of the world because she's been at
it for thirty years now and I think time has come to stop it and relax
a bit. She made the whole French Sakya nutty.
They're like backwards bozos now, like Jerry Lewises.
Send this on to all the Sakyas worldwide because the end of her madness
is here and should be made known. Maddies should not be let to open
their mouths. Send my pages at the site because it's adding up and
there's are a lot of pages there now, and they're getting pretty heavy
now and hard-hitting. Let them rip it ! Geir, the saviour of the
Ngorpas, from stupid and mad women.

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/newtempleineihu.html

Is this hot, or what ?





NEWS UPDATE : "NGOR TULKU


NEIHU/TAIPEI 2006


GYU DE KUN TUS WONG"


THIS WILL BE THE YAHOO ! GROUPS TITLE SEEING I WON'T BE ABLE TO SHARE
THIS GROUP WITH THE PHENDE KENCHEN-TULKUS; SEEING THIS WILL BE TOO FAR
AFIELD FOR ME.

This page is about the new temple to be established in Neihu, in
Taipei City, and that the Sangha of our E-Wam Phende Ling temple
that's already there needs organize for the giving of the Gyu De Kun
Tus teaching.


For this, I will establish a Yahoo ! group so as to discuss and prepare
the various aspects of that.


To begin with it must be known that women writing in to post on the
group, must know that their opinions are tolerated, but that agressive
posts will not be accepted as indeed, in Ngor, in Tibet, women were not
even accepted; so their presence on this site, and in the group, are
merely allowances, and in no way rights, as our founder Ngorchen Kunga
Zangpo did not authorize any women's rights, inside Ngor.


People who see Ngor as anti-feminist must not see it like that, because
Ngor is, of all the sects of Tibetan Buddhism, the most favourable to
women and their rights. Indeed, Ngor was entirely devoted to Tantra,
contrary f.ex. to the Gelugpa school, that entirely devoted itself to
Sutra. Also, the Nyingma and Kagyu schools, that also practised Tantra,
didn't devote themselves to preserving all of Tantra's lineages (such
as the Gyu De Kun Tus collection does) as in Ngor.


Why did Ngor thus preserve the rights and freedom of monks (thus men)
to such an extent ? This is because despite being, - as just mentioned,
- the unchallenged champions of Tantra, the Ngorpa monks under Ngorchen
Kunga Zangpo, were also the champions of the Buddha's Order of Monks,
by preserving the monks' vows perfectly, and never breaking these vows.
It is predicted in the Ngorpa tradition that the real saving of the
Buddha's teaching will be carried out by Ngor and that Ngorchen Kunga
Zangpo will be the Second Buddha. This is carried out today by the
kingdom of Mustang that is in Nepal being totally isolated from the
outside world by the Maoist rebellion and thus the Tibetan culture
there being totally isolated and thus preserving the old Buddha
tradition there. Mustang being the greatest number of Ngorpa followers
today, now that Tibet has fallen to Red China, the prophecy is slowly
taking from.


My site here is the indispensable, efficient arm of the Ngorpa prophecy
without which Mustang would be completely cut off from the world. Being
cut off like them is part of the preservation of the tradition.Thus,
both remaining while also bounding forwards in the same movement, are
the manner in which the Ngor tradition will replace Buddhism,
preserving both it's innovative facet and it's conservation-aspect,
which the sects that have lost their lands of implanting have no longer
been able to do. By not being exposed to the outside world, the Ngorpa
sect has remained as it always has been. Thereby, Buddhism can remain
as it always has been and not be destroyed by the demonic forces of
change and massacre.


Nevertheless, Tantra must be saved and this is what the Gyu De Kun Tus
teaching involves.




By this perfect preserving, of both Sutra and Tantra (mentionned above)
uncomparable in all of Tibet and the whole Buddhist world, Ngorchen
Kunga Zangpo preserved the Buddha's Doctrine which hinges on the moral
vows of monks and was prophecied to disappear when it's monks
disappear. Thus Ngor preserved both the Tantra and Sutra e.g. the
monks' vows of moral height and unstained protection as practised at
Ngor.


This is why I have called this page also (apart from constituting the
page of the founding of the new temple in Neihu, Taipei - through
organizing the Gyu De Kun Tus in that locality) "Foundation of the
Return of the Buddha's Teaching to the World in modern times, thanks to
Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo" !


This group at Yahoo ! will also start the various contacts with the
Chinese E-Wam Phende Ling temple in Taipei to explore : the buying of
the new temple; the people we need to achieve a good organization;
counting the people we can rely on and particularly the ones that speak
good English and Tibetan; counting the people we can rely on for the
food, lodging, transport needed for over a thousand people in downtown
Taipei; what infrastructure we will be needing outside the temple,
during the empowerment, to make it all work meanwhile, etc.... the
group will explore the establishing of links in the various languages
we'll be needing on the web such as the various Chinese languages and
dialects, that will be set up in their langauges. Such contacts have to
be linked to this site and to be introduced to the group.


Phende Kenchen's moving of his activities out to Taipei, is linked to
the fact that his activities in France are not of any international and
worldwide importance. French people are not of a scope of international
importance as their language is no longer spoken widespreadedly in the
world. English and Chinese are so. If one speaks both Chinese and
English, which is the case of educated people in Taiwan, and which is
the case of several of Phende Kenchen's disciples there, one then
commands the language of half the world practically. This is not
possible from France which is cut off from the wode world and lives in
a mini-world unto itself.


The small world of France is like a mad person's world that is tinted
with it's own colour. Like under an oxygen tent, the French don't even
have the same air as the world. The Taiwanese belong to the cultural
space of one and a half billion Chinese in the world. They are people
of the world and not provincial like the French are. On the world
scale, the French are like provincial people from a small town that are
unfit to deal in world affairs because their culture makes them unable
to understand the world of the international set. In France, we have
people from cities like Evreux where our temple is located, that have
no international stature, and cannot travel abroad without looking like
mad people.French people, no matter where they come from, are totally
unable to travel abroad being incapable in foreign languages.


They, thus, cannot develop international statures for themselves....
and are like dwarfs out in the world. French people are very much like
midgets internationally. I have suffered from this during my whole
life, because I knew all along that people of France were just like
fakes from the beginning because of their misunderstanding of
international priorities and what is important in life. This made me
suffer a lot because I could never take French people seriously and
always had to keep from making fun of them to their faces.This feeling
of arrogance or contempt (for their lackings) on my side was resented
secretely by them (by my trying to hide it underneath an outer smiling
appearance) and my French friends have turned into enemies : people who
feel I don't have respect for them.


I just can't admire or respect people who are as provincial and idiotic
as French people. I know a few French people who are well-educated and
speak O.K. English, so I know the difference between such and others,
people who speak English with French accents that are so funny that
they make one roll on the floor hollding one's sides. As I speak
Tibetan, English and French, on top of it, I have the possibility
through the many Tibetan translators at Phende Kenchen's temple in
Taipei (Neihu), to contact both the English-speakers and the
Chinese-speakers of the world and thus be in contact with the half of
the world-population that speak the two main languages that these are.
I have absolutely no problem with that and don't think France is any
alternative even for one second. Phende Kenchen chose Taiwan all along
to further the Dharma and that's what is to be respected now. He knows
what he is doing : he is a reincarnation like me. He is Ngor's
supremo-head and he will carry out the prophecy of the Second Buddha. A
man, he is allowed into Ngor, into which women are not allowed.


With the French language there is absoluteley no possibility to contact
the world and spread the holy Buddha Dharma which is Phende Kenchen's
mission in the world in this lifetime. Thus, by this site, group and
links, I have managed to get out from inside the trap of French
limited culture and gotten out into the wide world; and to begin with,
out into the wide, one and half billion Chinese-speaking people of the
world. Thus, through my native English language, and the new Chinese
world, I have at my disposal now, something that makes only the sky
itself be the limit. France is thus good for the trash-can now !


Only in Taiwan, do we furthermore, have the large Sangha that is needed
to organize the Gyu De Kun Tus teaching. In France, we don't have any
Sangha... it only gathers once every few months; and then in very small
numbers. Also, people have very little faith, and then faith towards
Phende Kenchen is not strong. Having a temple in France is not useful,
because as Phende Kenchen told me this year : in France, a temple costs
money and earns nothing. In Taiwan, a temple recoups it's cost quickly,
thanks to a heavy attendancy by the faithful, that have great devotion
and make the temple live all by itself, effortlessly. In France,
temples remain empty all year long, and only cost money. These facts
are well-known to the Taiwanese even of the French can't hear it
easily, preferring to close their ears.


A temple both in France and Taiwan is financial suicide, because one
temple uses the money of the other. One cannot catch two birds at one
time : one in the hand is better than two in the bush. Two (new - big)
temples, simultaneously in Taipei and France, is not good. One must
choose one or the other but if one chooses both that means one will
miss both. That means one will miss one's life's work seeing life is
short and we don't have much time before Phende Kenchen dies. It's a
one-shot thing. It's a one-shot thing for the Gyu De Kun Tus also - and
this is not a thing of egos ("I want *my* temple, so as to aggrandize
my ego and be someone in the world and be a big lama and a personality
in the Buddhist world or the world of so-called lamas and masters !");
this is a question of life and death for many sects like the
Karma-Kagyus, that wouldn't want to lose their sect, because someone
wants to build a temple and thus miss giving the Gyu De Kun Tus to them
!!!!


Concerning the size of the temple that is needed : seeing that the Gyu
De Kun Tus teaching is requested by the Karmapas, their following
entourages will already occupy several hundred seats. Their temples
being in the thousands worldwide, it is most probable that people will
come from all the sects of Buddhism as well,.... both from Tibetan
Buddhism and that of other countries,.... so that, at least a one
thousand-seating temple must be forseen. As this is only possible in
Taiwan, thanks to it's already 1500-strong Sanghas there, France is
totally ruled out for this to happen there. Taiwan can do such a thing
this very year, at the drop of a hat; while France would need several
years to be able to sum up the energy to organize even he smallest
event. Large events in France number eighty or seventy people at best
nowadays !!!! Taiwan stages events for over three hundred people dozens
of times a year already now. (These are regular events ; not
"spectaculars" that gather the general public by the thousands... but
just for a few days or weeks, but then don't last in time, - and which
I don't even mention, - as our temple has stopped doing these kinds of
things... they don't make ends meet....)


Also, the Karmapas wouldn't want to come to France, seeing that a
one-year teaching at the shortest, would see them staying in a country
where the faithful don't make the least offerings. I don't see how the
Karmapas could face the expenses for them and their followning
entourages, without a local financial Sangha-backing. It is only
possible to forsee such an organization in Taiwan, in Neihu (Taipei),
because doing it in France would be suicidal financially; and such a
temple couldn't exist in France and be profitable in the future...
while in Taiwan it would flourish incomparably.


Phende Kenchen already has the largest Tibetan temple in Taiwan, and
thus knows that Tibetan Buddhism is very flourishing in Taiwan so he
knows that a new, much larger temple has most favourable conditions to
succeed in it's career in Taiwan, in the future.


For me, Taiwan is the only place that an organization would be easy,
because the Tawanese are a most smiling people; while French people are
morose and do not smile in French Tibetan temples, maybe becaue of the
Christian heritage that teaches the virtue of being gloomy in religion.
Maybe because they're waiting for the doomsday... I don't know.


I fear that if the Karmapas both come, the jealousy from the other
sects' heads, will provoke a jealousy-sprint among them all : we'll be
confronted then with too little room available for all of them, if all
the lamas want to come... even with one thousand seats. The problem is
that if the sects-heads come in force, the number of other people will
be great and we will have difficulty welcoming them all. In that case
we will have to turn them away and choose people on various criteria
tha will ahve to be determined. Phende Kenchen will accept the various
people in respect to his own criteria.


It is to organize all this as soon as possible and prefectly as
possible roght now. Also, it is to get this in the agenda as soon as
possible because the various parties invloved have to set their own
time spans that will be besst for them as soon as possible. To set a
date for the teaching (tentatively set for 2006 ?) the various parties
have to compe to agreement as to the best possible date. That can
happen when the various material details of setting up the new, large
temple have been levelled out. For that I will go to Taiwan from where
I will continue this site and group, and continue montoring of this
web-site's evolving.


The "Ngor Tulku Neihu 2006 - Gyu De Kun Tus Wongs" discussion-group on
Yahoo ! Groups will start shortly and all are welcomed to go there and
encouraged to post in their information, questions, requests and other
things they need or want to offer. BYe and see you there tomorrow or
the day after that !


Geir Smith.


NB The various people of the Taiwan Sangha that speak Tibetan (some may
speak English as well) and can participate in the organizing for the
Karmapas and other sundry sect-heads along with me (and that we can
start with from this summer onwards) are by order : Wang Zee Yung, the
other reincarnation that was recognized along with me, Lu Min Rong, the
other translator of Phende Kenchen's; the various translators : Kuo
Fang Shi, Gao Li Shu, Mr. Pao (who speaks good English being an
American university graduate), etc....Phende Kenchen now estimates he
has at least ten to fifteen Tibetan translators there,- while in France
he has no one. This is the main reason why France is not positive or an
alternative to this. G. ***@aol.com also ***@aol.com

[bawa]

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Check out the "The Planetary Enthronement" CANCELLATION !!!
http://tibetanfoundation.org/Dharshans.htm This is a riot. I was
squeamy about a guy going to pay his way to that enthronement with

the

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bystanders at Swayambu Stupa. This was really ripping off the

Buddha

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because that's a very holy place, one of the most so in the world

and

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particularly so in Nepal where it's in the top of the holiest. I

would

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have thrown the idiot off the hill (Swayambu's on a high hill, up

in

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the sky !). Well, it's like Mahakala was there to protect that from
happening and the idiot got his, - worse than could be.
This is great stuff and people don't realize we're living heady

days

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like when Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis got on stage every night to
boogie. This could be great scenario stuff for Hollywood and will

be

Post by Kalachakrapa

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mark my word in a few years. I see Steve Martin as the

Messiah-loser

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here : cancelling his planetary enthronement and probably

fighting

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some

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court-battle with his ex-cultees on the side. This is stuff

that's

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so

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good that even Tad couldn't think it up; and screen-writers pay

this

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kind of stuff with gold-bars, it's so good. True stories are always
bigger than life, because nobody could invent them. "Chase away

nature

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and it comes make with a vengeance" is a French saying : it's about
things that are artificial not being naturally forthcoming and not

even

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just plain workable. Nature always takes it's revenge on humans.

Mark

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my word, when we run out of petrol in ten years, watch my

word...I

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told

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you so.
It looks like the deities of Tantrik Buddhism are watching and
protecting their own, with a vengeance. The sites of Buddhism in

India

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are all going to pot with criminals all around them now. This is

the

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sign of the end of times or what. Nothing can be more rotten than

that

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: crime and arson at the holy places : the liife-strem of

religion.

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Tibetans in India are done for anywyas because of the bad karma

there.

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Ordinary Tibetans must be blown away in such an environment and

with

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little religion to bolster against the evil around them. Gosh !

Tough

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!

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I feel for our sect there and all the others too. Happy New Year !
Despite the bad omens. This is also not a good omen year, so

pray....

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At least one good sign (and maybe also one of sizable dimension) is
that that fraud at the top of this post was cancelled and

probably

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totally disgraced by this all. Anyways his so-called enthronement

got

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a

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bad omen on it, in any case, and that said to all, - sending that
signal,- that his "holiness" was not as speckless as claimed, so as

to

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ward off the world's traumas. As the Buddha turned all worldy

weopons

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into flowers at his Enlghtenment. This guy sure had real weapons

making

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him defecate in his dress. And running for Momma's apron-strings.
Coward ! Bad karma is what you have and that is all that's sure

to

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be

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learnt from this lesson for a motron like you, Mister Tulku (rather

Mr

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Stupid !) ! SHow you to play around with the faiths of people you

don't

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respect !

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The cult-page.
"The Planetary Enthronement" of so-called Jetsun Gyalwa Jampa

Gompo,

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The Buddha Maitreya (the Messiah and Jesus Resurrected, Burp..)
postponed for six months - at least. Why ? Because little boy

Tulku

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Maitreya there couldn't take the heat. Ha ha ha ! Talk about a
god-figure !!! They say "when the going gets tough the tough get
going". Fake-Messiah there seems rather to have "slowed down !!!
abruptly when the tough got going". What makes these guys tick

to

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continue with such absurd "trips" ? Do they ever feel

ridiculous

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?

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Maybe ?
Read it....
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcultshtm.html

I'm writing up my biography and the theme coming up on it is

naturally

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that the lama's wife is completely crazy because she not only is
denigrating, and undermining the lama, her husband, the father of her
three sons, the recognizer of them three - and also of me,- and the
head of the Ngor school and a fully realized Buddha and whammo she's
denigrating all that. That's crazy for sure. It's crazy to do that
because the Buddhist texts all say that the only way followed by all
the three Buddhas of the three times so as to attain fully realized
Liberation is the guru and none other exist so she's definitely

around

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the bend.
She's alienating the guru and undermining his recognition of me so

she

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undemmines him not me and by that she undermines herself so she's
definitely mad because swho undermines oneself ? The mad ones. Pass
this on to her and the Sakya sites of the world because she's been at
it for thirty years now and I think time has come to stop it and

relax

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a bit. She made the whole French Sakya nutty.
They're like backwards bozos now, like Jerry Lewises.
Send this on to all the Sakyas worldwide because the end of her

madness

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is here and should be made known. Maddies should not be let to open
their mouths. Send my pages at the site because it's adding up and
there's are a lot of pages there now, and they're getting pretty

heavy

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now and hard-hitting. Let them rip it ! Geir, the saviour of the
Ngorpas, from stupid and mad women.

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/newtempleineihu.html
Is this hot, or what ?
NEWS UPDATE : "NGOR TULKU
NEIHU/TAIPEI 2006
GYU DE KUN TUS WONG"
THIS WILL BE THE YAHOO ! GROUPS TITLE SEEING I WON'T BE ABLE TO

SHARE

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THIS GROUP WITH THE PHENDE KENCHEN-TULKUS; SEEING THIS WILL BE TOO FAR
AFIELD FOR ME.
This page is about the new temple to be established in Neihu, in
Taipei City, and that the Sangha of our E-Wam Phende Ling temple
that's already there needs organize for the giving of the Gyu De Kun
Tus teaching.
For this, I will establish a Yahoo ! group so as to discuss and prepare
the various aspects of that.
To begin with it must be known that women writing in to post on the
group, must know that their opinions are tolerated, but that

agressive

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posts will not be accepted as indeed, in Ngor, in Tibet, women were not
even accepted; so their presence on this site, and in the group, are
merely allowances, and in no way rights, as our founder Ngorchen Kunga
Zangpo did not authorize any women's rights, inside Ngor.
People who see Ngor as anti-feminist must not see it like that, because
Ngor is, of all the sects of Tibetan Buddhism, the most favourable to
women and their rights. Indeed, Ngor was entirely devoted to Tantra,
contrary f.ex. to the Gelugpa school, that entirely devoted itself to
Sutra. Also, the Nyingma and Kagyu schools, that also practised Tantra,
didn't devote themselves to preserving all of Tantra's lineages (such
as the Gyu De Kun Tus collection does) as in Ngor.
Why did Ngor thus preserve the rights and freedom of monks (thus men)
to such an extent ? This is because despite being, - as just

mentioned,

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- the unchallenged champions of Tantra, the Ngorpa monks under

Ngorchen

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Kunga Zangpo, were also the champions of the Buddha's Order of Monks,
by preserving the monks' vows perfectly, and never breaking these vows.
It is predicted in the Ngorpa tradition that the real saving of the
Buddha's teaching will be carried out by Ngor and that Ngorchen Kunga
Zangpo will be the Second Buddha. This is carried out today by the
kingdom of Mustang that is in Nepal being totally isolated from the
outside world by the Maoist rebellion and thus the Tibetan culture
there being totally isolated and thus preserving the old Buddha
tradition there. Mustang being the greatest number of Ngorpa

followers

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today, now that Tibet has fallen to Red China, the prophecy is slowly
taking from.
My site here is the indispensable, efficient arm of the Ngorpa

prophecy

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without which Mustang would be completely cut off from the world. Being
cut off like them is part of the preservation of the tradition.Thus,
both remaining while also bounding forwards in the same movement, are
the manner in which the Ngor tradition will replace Buddhism,
preserving both it's innovative facet and it's conservation-aspect,
which the sects that have lost their lands of implanting have no longer
been able to do. By not being exposed to the outside world, the Ngorpa
sect has remained as it always has been. Thereby, Buddhism can remain
as it always has been and not be destroyed by the demonic forces of
change and massacre.
Nevertheless, Tantra must be saved and this is what the Gyu De Kun Tus
teaching involves.
By this perfect preserving, of both Sutra and Tantra (mentionned above)
uncomparable in all of Tibet and the whole Buddhist world, Ngorchen
Kunga Zangpo preserved the Buddha's Doctrine which hinges on the moral
vows of monks and was prophecied to disappear when it's monks
disappear. Thus Ngor preserved both the Tantra and Sutra e.g. the
monks' vows of moral height and unstained protection as practised at
Ngor.
This is why I have called this page also (apart from constituting the
page of the founding of the new temple in Neihu, Taipei - through
organizing the Gyu De Kun Tus in that locality) "Foundation of the
Return of the Buddha's Teaching to the World in modern times, thanks to
Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo" !
This group at Yahoo ! will also start the various contacts with the
Chinese E-Wam Phende Ling temple in Taipei to explore : the buying of
the new temple; the people we need to achieve a good organization;
counting the people we can rely on and particularly the ones that speak
good English and Tibetan; counting the people we can rely on for the
food, lodging, transport needed for over a thousand people in

downtown

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Taipei; what infrastructure we will be needing outside the temple,
during the empowerment, to make it all work meanwhile, etc.... the
group will explore the establishing of links in the various languages
we'll be needing on the web such as the various Chinese languages and
dialects, that will be set up in their langauges. Such contacts have to
be linked to this site and to be introduced to the group.
Phende Kenchen's moving of his activities out to Taipei, is linked to
the fact that his activities in France are not of any international and
worldwide importance. French people are not of a scope of

international

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importance as their language is no longer spoken widespreadedly in the
world. English and Chinese are so. If one speaks both Chinese and
English, which is the case of educated people in Taiwan, and which is
the case of several of Phende Kenchen's disciples there, one then
commands the language of half the world practically. This is not
possible from France which is cut off from the wode world and lives in
a mini-world unto itself.
The small world of France is like a mad person's world that is tinted
with it's own colour. Like under an oxygen tent, the French don't even
have the same air as the world. The Taiwanese belong to the cultural
space of one and a half billion Chinese in the world. They are people
of the world and not provincial like the French are. On the world
scale, the French are like provincial people from a small town that are
unfit to deal in world affairs because their culture makes them unable
to understand the world of the international set. In France, we have
people from cities like Evreux where our temple is located, that have
no international stature, and cannot travel abroad without looking like
mad people.French people, no matter where they come from, are totally
unable to travel abroad being incapable in foreign languages.
They, thus, cannot develop international statures for themselves....
and are like dwarfs out in the world. French people are very much like
midgets internationally. I have suffered from this during my whole
life, because I knew all along that people of France were just like
fakes from the beginning because of their misunderstanding of
international priorities and what is important in life. This made me
suffer a lot because I could never take French people seriously and
always had to keep from making fun of them to their faces.This

feeling

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of arrogance or contempt (for their lackings) on my side was resented
secretely by them (by my trying to hide it underneath an outer

smiling

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appearance) and my French friends have turned into enemies : people who
feel I don't have respect for them.
I just can't admire or respect people who are as provincial and idiotic
as French people. I know a few French people who are well-educated and
speak O.K. English, so I know the difference between such and others,
people who speak English with French accents that are so funny that
they make one roll on the floor hollding one's sides. As I speak
Tibetan, English and French, on top of it, I have the possibility
through the many Tibetan translators at Phende Kenchen's temple in
Taipei (Neihu), to contact both the English-speakers and the
Chinese-speakers of the world and thus be in contact with the half of
the world-population that speak the two main languages that these are.
I have absolutely no problem with that and don't think France is any
alternative even for one second. Phende Kenchen chose Taiwan all along
to further the Dharma and that's what is to be respected now. He knows
what he is doing : he is a reincarnation like me. He is Ngor's
supremo-head and he will carry out the prophecy of the Second Buddha. A
man, he is allowed into Ngor, into which women are not allowed.
With the French language there is absoluteley no possibility to contact
the world and spread the holy Buddha Dharma which is Phende Kenchen's
mission in the world in this lifetime. Thus, by this site, group and
links, I have managed to get out from inside the trap of French
limited culture and gotten out into the wide world; and to begin with,
out into the wide, one and half billion Chinese-speaking people of the
world. Thus, through my native English language, and the new Chinese
world, I have at my disposal now, something that makes only the sky
itself be the limit. France is thus good for the trash-can now !
Only in Taiwan, do we furthermore, have the large Sangha that is needed
to organize the Gyu De Kun Tus teaching. In France, we don't have any
Sangha... it only gathers once every few months; and then in very small
numbers. Also, people have very little faith, and then faith towards
Phende Kenchen is not strong. Having a temple in France is not

useful,

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because as Phende Kenchen told me this year : in France, a temple costs
money and earns nothing. In Taiwan, a temple recoups it's cost

quickly,

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thanks to a heavy attendancy by the faithful, that have great

devotion

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and make the temple live all by itself, effortlessly. In France,
temples remain empty all year long, and only cost money. These facts
are well-known to the Taiwanese even of the French can't hear it
easily, preferring to close their ears.
A temple both in France and Taiwan is financial suicide, because one
temple uses the money of the other. One cannot catch two birds at one
time : one in the hand is better than two in the bush. Two (new - big)
temples, simultaneously in Taipei and France, is not good. One must
choose one or the other but if one chooses both that means one will
miss both. That means one will miss one's life's work seeing life is
short and we don't have much time before Phende Kenchen dies. It's a
one-shot thing. It's a one-shot thing for the Gyu De Kun Tus also - and
this is not a thing of egos ("I want *my* temple, so as to aggrandize
my ego and be someone in the world and be a big lama and a

personality

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in the Buddhist world or the world of so-called lamas and masters !");
this is a question of life and death for many sects like the
Karma-Kagyus, that wouldn't want to lose their sect, because someone
wants to build a temple and thus miss giving the Gyu De Kun Tus to them
!!!!
Concerning the size of the temple that is needed : seeing that the Gyu
De Kun Tus teaching is requested by the Karmapas, their following
entourages will already occupy several hundred seats. Their temples
being in the thousands worldwide, it is most probable that people will
come from all the sects of Buddhism as well,.... both from Tibetan
Buddhism and that of other countries,.... so that, at least a one
thousand-seating temple must be forseen. As this is only possible in
Taiwan, thanks to it's already 1500-strong Sanghas there, France is
totally ruled out for this to happen there. Taiwan can do such a thing
this very year, at the drop of a hat; while France would need several
years to be able to sum up the energy to organize even he smallest
event. Large events in France number eighty or seventy people at best
nowadays !!!! Taiwan stages events for over three hundred people dozens
of times a year already now. (These are regular events ; not
"spectaculars" that gather the general public by the thousands... but
just for a few days or weeks, but then don't last in time, - and which
I don't even mention, - as our temple has stopped doing these kinds of
things... they don't make ends meet....)
Also, the Karmapas wouldn't want to come to France, seeing that a
one-year teaching at the shortest, would see them staying in a

country

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where the faithful don't make the least offerings. I don't see how the
Karmapas could face the expenses for them and their followning
entourages, without a local financial Sangha-backing. It is only
possible to forsee such an organization in Taiwan, in Neihu (Taipei),
because doing it in France would be suicidal financially; and such a
temple couldn't exist in France and be profitable in the future...
while in Taiwan it would flourish incomparably.
Phende Kenchen already has the largest Tibetan temple in Taiwan, and
thus knows that Tibetan Buddhism is very flourishing in Taiwan so he
knows that a new, much larger temple has most favourable conditions to
succeed in it's career in Taiwan, in the future.
For me, Taiwan is the only place that an organization would be easy,
because the Tawanese are a most smiling people; while French people are
morose and do not smile in French Tibetan temples, maybe becaue of the
Christian heritage that teaches the virtue of being gloomy in

religion.

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Maybe because they're waiting for the doomsday... I don't know.
I fear that if the Karmapas both come, the jealousy from the other
sects' heads, will provoke a jealousy-sprint among them all : we'll be
confronted then with too little room available for all of them, if all
the lamas want to come... even with one thousand seats. The problem is
that if the sects-heads come in force, the number of other people will
be great and we will have difficulty welcoming them all. In that case
we will have to turn them away and choose people on various criteria
tha will ahve to be determined. Phende Kenchen will accept the

various

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people in respect to his own criteria.
It is to organize all this as soon as possible and prefectly as
possible roght now. Also, it is to get this in the agenda as soon as
possible because the various parties invloved have to set their own
time spans that will be besst for them as soon as possible. To set a
date for the teaching (tentatively set for 2006 ?) the various

parties

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have to compe to agreement as to the best possible date. That can
happen when the various material details of setting up the new, large
temple have been levelled out. For that I will go to Taiwan from where
I will continue this site and group, and continue montoring of this
web-site's evolving.
The "Ngor Tulku Neihu 2006 - Gyu De Kun Tus Wongs" discussion-group on
Yahoo ! Groups will start shortly and all are welcomed to go there and
encouraged to post in their information, questions, requests and other
things they need or want to offer. BYe and see you there tomorrow or
the day after that !
Geir Smith.
NB The various people of the Taiwan Sangha that speak Tibetan (some may
speak English as well) and can participate in the organizing for the
Karmapas and other sundry sect-heads along with me (and that we can
start with from this summer onwards) are by order : Wang Zee Yung, the
other reincarnation that was recognized along with me, Lu Min Rong, the
other translator of Phende Kenchen's; the various translators : Kuo
Fang Shi, Gao Li Shu, Mr. Pao (who speaks good English being an
American university graduate), etc....Phende Kenchen now estimates he
has at least ten to fifteen Tibetan translators there,- while in France
he has no one. This is the main reason why France is not positive or an

New Yahoo ! Group for "NGORPATULKU" at the bottom of the page under the
"group" button. Click it !

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html

I'm waiting for you people to come over there. The crazies that have
filled Buddhism now have to be ejected and I've set up all this for
that. Women taking over Buddhism doesn't jell with the Ngorpas : they
didn't even accept women inside Ngor and the crazies had to stay out.
The real Buddha Monk-Order is still extant here. Be it ! Even beyond
monkhood, the military-style discipline that made Tibetan Buddhism the
highest culture in the world, still exists.... and the muck of newly
misunderstood Buddhism gets kicked out and the real thing gets
restituted; so you, who like the real thing, and hate the fake thing,
well, post in.

[bawa]

Geir This post got buried on the previous post so I've copied it out

Post by bawa
New Yahoo ! Group for "NGORPATULKU" at the bottom of the page under the

"group" button. Click it !

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html


I'm waiting for you people to come over there. The crazies that have
filled Buddhism now have to be ejected and I've set up all this for
that. Women taking over Buddhism doesn't jell with the Ngorpas : they
didn't even accept women inside Ngor and the crazies had to stay out.
The real Buddha Monk-Order is still extant here. Be it ! Even beyond
monkhood, the military-style discipline that made Tibetan Buddhism the
highest culture in the world, still exists.... and the muck of newly
misunderstood Buddhism gets kicked out and the real thing gets
restituted; so you, who like the real thing, and hate the fake thing,
well, post in. >

[bawa]

My site is going to go into more of the secrets that marked the early
days of my apprenticeship thirty-plus years ago, so this being very
private please don't read the next pages that are coming out on it in
the next days.

[bawa]

Post by bawa
My site is going to go into more of the secrets that marked the early
days of my apprenticeship thirty-plus years ago, so this being very
private please don't read the next pages that are coming out on it in
the next days.

My site is going to move on into more secret areas of the mind. Take a
guy like Geir Smith, who's like me, Geir Smith.
He's been posting to ARBT for years and people here have him latched
onto a part of their minds they don't know where he's at. He talks to
some place they don't know. Take some off-the-wall Americans, isolated
out in their Bible Belt. They have little culture and little contacts
with the outside world. They get a guy coming on ARBT, into their
studies, and he talks to them about things they don't have any or much
idea about.

Then this guy, Geir Smith, I decide to go ballistic after some time at
ARBT; and I decide to put up a site for people. People on ARBT, who are
out of their league with me, Geir, are then way out of it because where
they were in a passive, listeners' role with me for years, they are now
in the glare of the front-lights of this site, like kangaroos or
rabbits, caught in the glare of the light. Unable to move or budge.

[bawa]

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
My site is going to go into more of the secrets that marked the early
days of my apprenticeship thirty-plus years ago, so this being very
private please don't read the next pages that are coming out on it in
the next days.

My site is going to move on into more secret areas of the mind. Take a
guy like Geir Smith, who's like me, Geir Smith.
He's been posting to ARBT for years and people here have him latched
onto a part of their minds they don't know where he's at. He talks to
some place they don't know. Take some off-the-wall Americans,

isolated

Post by bawa
out in their Bible Belt. They have little culture and little contacts
with the outside world. They get a guy coming on ARBT, into their
studies, and he talks to them about things they don't have any or much
idea about.
Then this guy, Geir Smith, I decide to go ballistic after some time at
ARBT; and I decide to put up a site for people. People on ARBT, who are
out of their league with me, Geir, are then way out of it because where
they were in a passive, listeners' role with me for years, they are now
in the glare of the front-lights of this site, like kangaroos or
rabbits, caught in the glare of the light. Unable to move or budge.

The site that's planned to make the Karmapas' requesting the Gyu De Kun
Tus happen in Taiwan next year is now linked to ARBT here :

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html

Thus, the group at Yahoo ! is linked to this ng here through that.
They're all linked in to my biography and to the plan-page for buying a
new temple in Taiwan through the Karmapas so as to finannce it and get
the teaching on rails. Also, it is the future temple for giving all the
many other teaching sof The Ngorpas(the Sakyapas) that no other sect
possesses.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NGORPATULKU/

They're all lined in the cult-page to bust the fake cults like the
Maitreya Buddha who's trying to get enthroned at Swayambu in Nepal but
that fate is keeping him from realizing. Bwa bwa bwa ! Which shows how
fake he is !!!!

So ARBT here is like a dinosaur that Batman has put a line to his foot
to and that just tears around the jungle whoofing but that the rope
just keeps on following. Seeing the Karmapas are at the end of the rope
and the Ngorpa school is holding on to it, it won't happen for the
dinosaur (ARBT) to get free again and wel'll use it to work at the
McDonald's desk now, selling stuff to kids. The time for Dino to roam
the prairies are all over now. Bye bye, Dinosauros.

[bawa]

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My site is going to go into more of the secrets that marked the

early

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days of my apprenticeship thirty-plus years ago, so this being very
private please don't read the next pages that are coming out on

it

Post by Kalachakrapa
in

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
the next days.

My site is going to move on into more secret areas of the mind.

Take

Post by Kalachakrapa
a

Post by bawa
guy like Geir Smith, who's like me, Geir Smith.
He's been posting to ARBT for years and people here have him

latched

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
onto a part of their minds they don't know where he's at. He talks to
some place they don't know. Take some off-the-wall Americans,

isolated

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out in their Bible Belt. They have little culture and little

contacts

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
with the outside world. They get a guy coming on ARBT, into their
studies, and he talks to them about things they don't have any or

much

Post by bawa
idea about.
Then this guy, Geir Smith, I decide to go ballistic after some time

at

Post by bawa
ARBT; and I decide to put up a site for people. People on ARBT, who

are

Post by bawa
out of their league with me, Geir, are then way out of it because

where

Post by bawa
they were in a passive, listeners' role with me for years, they are

now

Post by bawa
in the glare of the front-lights of this site, like kangaroos or
rabbits, caught in the glare of the light. Unable to move or budge.

The site that's planned to make the Karmapas' requesting the Gyu De Kun
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html
Thus, the group at Yahoo ! is linked to this ng here through that.
They're all linked in to my biography and to the plan-page for buying a
new temple in Taiwan through the Karmapas so as to finannce it and get
the teaching on rails. Also, it is the future temple for giving all the
many other teaching sof The Ngorpas(the Sakyapas) that no other sect
possesses.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NGORPATULKU/
They're all lined in the cult-page to bust the fake cults like the
Maitreya Buddha who's trying to get enthroned at Swayambu in Nepal but
that fate is keeping him from realizing. Bwa bwa bwa ! Which shows how
fake he is !!!!
So ARBT here is like a dinosaur that Batman has put a line to his foot
to and that just tears around the jungle whoofing but that the rope
just keeps on following. Seeing the Karmapas are at the end of the rope
and the Ngorpa school is holding on to it, it won't happen for the
dinosaur (ARBT) to get free again and wel'll use it to work at the
McDonald's desk now, selling stuff to kids. The time for Dino to roam
the prairies are all over now. Bye bye, Dinosauros.

Geir : in article below Dar's family in Kashmir talks out. Shame Dar !
You're a Muslim !
World - AP Asia


Pakistan, India Agree on Cross-Kashmir Bus


By PAUL HAVEN, Associated Press Writer

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - More than a year of peace talks between Pakistan
and India bore fruit Wednesday, with the two sides agreeing to start
the first-ever bus service between the capitals of divided Kashmir
(news - web sites).

The bus service along a rutted mountain road in the folds of the
Himalayas will reconnect families separated for decades by the
Pakistani and Indian armies. It also raises hopes that the
nuclear-armed neighbors who have fought three wars since gaining
independence from Britain in 1947 might one day find a permanent peace.



Service between Muzzafarabad on the Pakistani side and Srinigar on the
Indian side will start April 7, according to a joint statement read out
during a visit by Indian External Affairs Minister Natwar Singh.


Pakistani Foreign Minister Khursheed Kasuri said travel would be
granted through an "entry permit system" - rather than a passport -
once the identities of travelers are verified.


"We have come a long way over the past year or so. I'm convinced that
cooperation between our two countries is not just a desire and an
objective, it is in today's context an imperative," Singh said. "The
people of both countries clearly desire it."


On Pakistan's side of the region, residents had mixed reactions, with
some warning it was merely window-dressing, and others seeing progress.



"Now I will travel to the Indian portion of Kashmir to see my
relatives," said Khalid Dar. "I never imagined the two countries could
reach such a decision ... I will travel on the first available bus to
Srinagar."


Singh's visit is the first bilateral trip by an Indian foreign minister
to Pakistan since 1989 and is part of a dialogue to end 57 years of
hatred between the South Asian neighbors.


The bus deal has been in the works for months, and its consummation was
the most tangible success from more than 14 months of peace talks that
have seemed stalled at times.


Kashmir has been at the root of two of the wars between Pakistan and
India. Both sides claim the region in its entirety. More than 66,000
people have died since an Islamic insurgency began about 15 years ago,
many at the hands of Indian troops. New Delhi accuses Pakistan of
funding and training the rebels. Islamabad insists it gives only moral
and political support.


While speaking positively of the future, Singh also cautioned that any
progress could only be achieved if attacks are curtailed.


An independence leader in India's portion of Kashmir, Javed Mir,
praised the accord and said he hoped it would lead to a wider peace
deal.


"The problem is so complex that it cannot be solved in one go, but such
meaningful steps will help," said Mir, leader of the Jammu-Kashmir
Liberation Forum, which has been fighting for Kashmir's independence.


Also on the agenda in the Islamabad talks were discussions about a $3
billion, 1,600-mile gas pipeline from Iran which has been delayed for
years, mainly because of Indian security concerns over running the
pipeline through Pakistani territory.


Singh said that in meetings between now and July, Indian and Pakistani
officials would work to finalize agreements on pre-notification of
missile tests, and discuss pacts for reducing the risk of nuclear
accidents.

[bawa]

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
My site is going to go into more of the secrets that marked the

early

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
days of my apprenticeship thirty-plus years ago, so this being very
private please don't read the next pages that are coming out on

it

Post by Kalachakrapa
in

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
the next days.

My site is going to move on into more secret areas of the mind.

Take

Post by Kalachakrapa
a

Post by bawa
guy like Geir Smith, who's like me, Geir Smith.
He's been posting to ARBT for years and people here have him

latched

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
onto a part of their minds they don't know where he's at. He talks to
some place they don't know. Take some off-the-wall Americans,

isolated

Post by bawa
out in their Bible Belt. They have little culture and little

contacts

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
with the outside world. They get a guy coming on ARBT, into their
studies, and he talks to them about things they don't have any or

much

Post by bawa
idea about.
Then this guy, Geir Smith, I decide to go ballistic after some time

at

Post by bawa
ARBT; and I decide to put up a site for people. People on ARBT, who

are

Post by bawa
out of their league with me, Geir, are then way out of it because

where

Post by bawa
they were in a passive, listeners' role with me for years, they are

now

Post by bawa
in the glare of the front-lights of this site, like kangaroos or
rabbits, caught in the glare of the light. Unable to move or budge.

The site that's planned to make the Karmapas' requesting the Gyu De Kun
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html
Thus, the group at Yahoo ! is linked to this ng here through that.
They're all linked in to my biography and to the plan-page for buying a
new temple in Taiwan through the Karmapas so as to finannce it and get
the teaching on rails. Also, it is the future temple for giving all the
many other teaching sof The Ngorpas(the Sakyapas) that no other sect
possesses.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NGORPATULKU/
They're all lined in the cult-page to bust the fake cults like the
Maitreya Buddha who's trying to get enthroned at Swayambu in Nepal but
that fate is keeping him from realizing. Bwa bwa bwa ! Which shows how
fake he is !!!!
So ARBT here is like a dinosaur that Batman has put a line to his foot
to and that just tears around the jungle whoofing but that the rope
just keeps on following. Seeing the Karmapas are at the end of the rope
and the Ngorpa school is holding on to it, it won't happen for the
dinosaur (ARBT) to get free again and wel'll use it to work at the
McDonald's desk now, selling stuff to kids. The time for Dino to roam
the prairies are all over now. Bye bye, Dinosauros.

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbio5.html

BEV ! I've taken your advice in more ways than I expected a couple of
months ago. I've done exactly what you said : put up a page with the
elements of what I was talking about and can resend it occasionnally
around to see the progress. Actually, Im still at the "making of" stage
and the last page fresh out of the oven is above.

I'm waiting for the Karmapas or some of their hords to post on the
groups board above http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NGORPATULKU/ too
for the nitty-gritty details : like who gets the bed next to window for
the empowerments at the future temple etc....

But you know how it is : when your sweater loses one thread the whole
thing just melts down, so I've had a biographical melt-down on the site
there, and all the nitty-gritty of *my* life came with it. ALl the soft
spots in my past came out : it was high time actually.

Well, I *did it* and it's all on the web and humming like a bird. It's
getting up to half a/ to a dozen hits a day and about a dozen and a
half on week-ends. I expect it's various people from my Sangha in
France,and/or the Taiwanese coming in slowly, a few curious from ARBT;
maybe some keeping tabs on the progress in new pages, like comics
coming out every day !!!; some people from the Karmapas maybe sending
in someone to check around before they send bigger squads ? Who knows ?
I'm waiting for the people who are in reality and not just swimming
around in the recesses of their minds here on ARBT to show up and
really talk like humans on the groups board rather than lurk like
ghosts and just relate to the fringe of things like people so often do,
and not the core essence of reality. I've put people in front of
reality and we'll meet at the empowerment in Taipei, eh ! Or at an
airport near you if it's possible some time soon. S'long, and Thanks
for your good idea : I can guarantee you it's made a big change in my
life. Just check out the site to see what I mean, you'll understand.
Imagine this site being all over your face if you were the person
that's targeted in it ! Sheesh ! You'd be pretty red-earred, eh ! So,
s'long.

[Bev Thornton]

Post by bawa
I'm waiting for the Karmapas or some of their hords to post on the
groups board above http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NGORPATULKU/ too
for the nitty-gritty details : like who gets the bed next to window for
the empowerments at the future temple etc....

And who gets the highest cushion?

Last night I went to hear Ngari Rinpoche speak and it made me feel
strange because it was in a university lecture hall and all the
listeners were above the lecturn.

Post by bawa
Well, I *did it* and it's all on the web and humming like a bird. It's
getting up to half a/ to a dozen hits a day and about a dozen and a
half on week-ends. I expect it's various people from my Sangha in
France,and/or the Taiwanese coming in slowly, a few curious from ARBT;
maybe some keeping tabs on the progress in new pages, like comics
coming out every day !!!; some people from the Karmapas maybe sending
in someone to check around before they send bigger squads ? Who knows ?

Only the people looking know. Nothing to worry about.

Post by bawa
I'm waiting for the people who are in reality and not just swimming
around in the recesses of their minds here on ARBT to show up and
really talk like humans on the groups board rather than lurk like
ghosts and just relate to the fringe of things like people so often do,
and not the core essence of reality.

On a mailing list, you have to foster that. First thing to do is to get
a body of people all signed-up on the list so that there is on-topic
message traffic, people who will be involved in the preparations.

AOL is kind of rough for making web-sites though. What about getting a
domain name and having the site hosted? That way it would get indexed by
search engines, be easier for people to find, easier to use, even easier
to build too once you learn how or get someone on-project who will do
it.

[bawa]

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
I'm waiting for the Karmapas or some of their hords to post on the
groups board above http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NGORPATULKU/

too

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
for the nitty-gritty details : like who gets the bed next to window for
the empowerments at the future temple etc....

And who gets the highest cushion?
Last night I went to hear Ngari Rinpoche speak and it made me feel
strange because it was in a university lecture hall and all the
listeners were above the lecturn.

Post by bawa
Well, I *did it* and it's all on the web and humming like a bird. It's
getting up to half a/ to a dozen hits a day and about a dozen and a
half on week-ends. I expect it's various people from my Sangha in
France,and/or the Taiwanese coming in slowly, a few curious from ARBT;
maybe some keeping tabs on the progress in new pages, like comics
coming out every day !!!; some people from the Karmapas maybe sending
in someone to check around before they send bigger squads ? Who knows ?

Only the people looking know. Nothing to worry about.

Post by bawa
I'm waiting for the people who are in reality and not just swimming
around in the recesses of their minds here on ARBT to show up and
really talk like humans on the groups board rather than lurk like
ghosts and just relate to the fringe of things like people so often do,
and not the core essence of reality.

On a mailing list, you have to foster that. First thing to do is to get
a body of people all signed-up on the list so that there is on-topic
message traffic, people who will be involved in the preparations.
AOL is kind of rough for making web-sites though. What about getting a
domain name and having the site hosted? That way it would get indexed by
search engines, be easier for people to find, easier to use, even easier
to build too once you learn how or get someone on-project who will do
it.
--

<http://www.slrn.org/>

Post by Bev Thornton
The way is not in the sky.
The way is in the heart.

Yes, well I'm really convinced that Westerners have no idea of
extending to Tibetan lamas the same respect they would to people of
their own race and that the Orientals that spread Buddhism to the West
are treated as buddies by people. They don't get the respect that the
Christian church got and also unfortunately the fear that church
inspired in people for generations. Crossing them was being
excommunicated and being damned. People may have forgotten that
now...(but fear *is* often the limiting factor that *does* keep people
back from the brink of making mistakes that they'd doubtlessly make all
by themselves.)

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
Well, I *did it* and it's all on the web and humming like a bird. It's
getting up to half a/ to a dozen hits a day and about a dozen and a
half on week-ends. I expect it's various people from my Sangha in
France,and/or the Taiwanese coming in slowly, a few curious from ARBT;
maybe some keeping tabs on the progress in new pages, like comics
coming out every day !!!; some people from the Karmapas maybe sending
in someone to check around before they send bigger squads ? Who knows ?

Only the people looking know. Nothing to worry about.

Post by bawa
I'm waiting for the people who are in reality and not just swimming
around in the recesses of their minds here on ARBT to show up and
really talk like humans on the groups board rather than lurk like
ghosts and just relate to the fringe of things like people so often do,
and not the core essence of reality.

On a mailing list, you have to foster that. First thing to do is to get
a body of people all signed-up on the list so that there is on-topic
message traffic, people who will be involved in the preparations.
AOL is kind of rough for making web-sites though. What about getting a
domain name and having the site hosted? That way it would get indexed by
search engines, be easier for people to find, easier to use, even easier
to build too once you learn how or get someone on-project who will do
it.
--

<http://www.slrn.org/>

Post by Bev Thornton
The way is not in the sky.
The way is in the heart.

Well, I think this is great and if someone wants to download my site
and repost it into a new site with domain name etc...great !

If you have ideas about a domain name that will get it into the search
engines' first pages, please tell me. The thing is to get someone who
can do it and put a little time into it. If someone knows of someone or
wants to do it, welcome. I'd just like to see it before it goes up
and/or have the last say and the say on modifications at all stages of
it whether before, after or during it's setting-up. If it's highjacked
and used to slander me, well then no of course. My work is mine and
I'll keep my originals for proof. If someone highjacks my work, I can't
accept it. But if someone will help me get a better result, why not ?

As for the site, I'm still working on various things like presentation
and achieving a progressive effect in informing people. Then my
biography is also the next step to give people my background and thus
explain what and why the reach of my site points at and clears up.

Kind regards. I see you see the need for the traditionals among the
lamas to prevail and not be smothered down under misunderstood and
underrated Buddhism by recently converted people and little convinced,
misguided new people to Buddhism. Geir Smith. Yup ! Hope it's not too
much too early.

[Bev Thornton]

Post by bawa
Yes, well I'm really convinced that Westerners have no idea of
extending to Tibetan lamas the same respect they would to people of
their own race and that the Orientals that spread Buddhism to the West
are treated as buddies by people.

haha, it is that way in places at times.

Post by bawa
They don't get the respect that the Christian church got and also
unfortunately the fear that church inspired in people for generations.
Crossing them was being excommunicated and being damned. People may
have forgotten that now...(but fear *is* often the limiting factor
that *does* keep people back from the brink of making mistakes that
they'd doubtlessly make all by themselves.)

Fear is the idiot light on the dashboard of life.

Post by bawa
Well, I think this is great and if someone wants to download my site
and repost it into a new site with domain name etc...great !

If you keep to the grindstone with organizing and all as best you can,
someone will probably show-up to help.

Post by bawa
If you have ideas about a domain name that will get it into the search
engines' first pages, please tell me.

That part doesn't matter, it doesn't really work that way for
non-commercial things. An appropriate domain name is a good idea.
What would be an appropriate name?

Post by bawa
The thing is to get someone who can do it and put a little time into
it. If someone knows of someone or wants to do it, welcome. I'd just
like to see it before it goes up and/or have the last say and the say
on modifications at all stages of it whether before, after or during
it's setting-up. If it's highjacked and used to slander me, well then
no of course. My work is mine and I'll keep my originals for proof. If
someone highjacks my work, I can't accept it. But if someone will help
me get a better result, why not ?

That's the idea.

Post by bawa
As for the site, I'm still working on various things like presentation
and achieving a progressive effect in informing people. Then my
biography is also the next step to give people my background and thus
explain what and why the reach of my site points at and clears up.

Lots of teachings or even things about teachings, that's what is
important, lots of Dharma.

Post by bawa
Kind regards. I see you see the need for the traditionals among the
lamas to prevail and not be smothered down under misunderstood and
underrated Buddhism by recently converted people and little convinced,
misguided new people to Buddhism. Geir Smith. Yup ! Hope it's not too
much too early.

There's no time like the present. I wonder who coined that phrase.

[bawa]

Post by Bev Thornton
If you keep to the grindstone with organizing and all as best you can,
someone will probably show-up to help.

And blast the Chinese off the world map ? See link :

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Fri Feb 25, 2:42 AM ET Asia - AFP



BEIJING (AFP) - The United Nations has urged China to better safeguard
constitutionally protected rights and criticised Beijing for
arbitrarily
jailing those who peacefully voice religious and political views.


In a report on a September visit by the UN High Commission for Human
Rights,
the working group on arbitrary detention also condemned China for
jailing
citizens without trial through its "re-education through labor" system.


The report also lamented China's widespread use of vaguely defined
terms in
its criminal law, such as "disrupting social order" and "endangering
national security" to imprison citizens for political purposes.


"Definitions in criminal law legislation having such vague, imprecise
or
sweeping elements ... shall not be used to punish the peaceful
expression of
the rights and freedoms that the Declaration of Human Rights grants to
everyone," the report urged.


"Persons charged often invoke their freedom of opinion, expression,
religion
or belief, freedom of association or assembly, or the right to take
part in
the conduct of public affairs of the country as a legal basis for their

conduct and exempting them from criminal responsibility," it said.


The working group called on China to give "proper weight to the rights
of
the individual" in such cases and better protect such fundamental
rights
guaranteed by the country's own constitution.


Posted on the UNHCHR website, the report said official interference in
the
September visit to the notorious Drachpi prison in Lhasa, the capital
of
Tibet was unacceptable.


UN investigators were told that prison regulations prohibited certain
prisoners from being interviewed by "foreigners."


"The working group wishes to express its dissatisfaction with regard to
this
incident," it said.


"It is unacceptable that a (UN) Member State should impose limitations
on
human rights mechanisms under the pretext that their members are
'foreigners'." China has been widely accused of rampant rights
violations in
Tibet, where Tibetan religious figures are routinely jailed for voicing

opposition to Chinese rule in the region.


The visit was the second by the working group to China, following an
earlier
visit in 1996 which came to many of the same conclusions.

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Post by Bev Thornton
If you keep to the grindstone with organizing and all as best you
can, someone will probably show-up to help.

Yeah, it must be pretty strange in there, in the PRC.

Here is something to help people there:

http://peacefire.org/circumventor/simple-circumventor-instructions.html

[bawa]

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
Yes, well I'm really convinced that Westerners have no idea of
extending to Tibetan lamas the same respect they would to people of
their own race and that the Orientals that spread Buddhism to the West
are treated as buddies by people.

haha, it is that way in places at times.

Post by bawa
They don't get the respect that the Christian church got and also
unfortunately the fear that church inspired in people for

generations.

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
Crossing them was being excommunicated and being damned. People may
have forgotten that now...(but fear *is* often the limiting factor
that *does* keep people back from the brink of making mistakes that
they'd doubtlessly make all by themselves.)

Fear is the idiot light on the dashboard of life.

Post by bawa
Well, I think this is great and if someone wants to download my site
and repost it into a new site with domain name etc...great !

If you keep to the grindstone with organizing and all as best you can,
someone will probably show-up to help.

Post by bawa
If you have ideas about a domain name that will get it into the search
engines' first pages, please tell me.

That part doesn't matter, it doesn't really work that way for
non-commercial things. An appropriate domain name is a good idea.
What would be an appropriate name?

Zonk.dot.com ? What *is* a good name ? I really don't know. Frank
Zappa.dot ? JimmiHendrix.com ?

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
The thing is to get someone who can do it and put a little time into
it. If someone knows of someone or wants to do it, welcome. I'd just
like to see it before it goes up and/or have the last say and the say
on modifications at all stages of it whether before, after or during
it's setting-up. If it's highjacked and used to slander me, well then
no of course. My work is mine and I'll keep my originals for proof. If
someone highjacks my work, I can't accept it. But if someone will help
me get a better result, why not ?

That's the idea.

Post by bawa
As for the site, I'm still working on various things like

presentation

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
and achieving a progressive effect in informing people. Then my
biography is also the next step to give people my background and thus
explain what and why the reach of my site points at and clears up.

Lots of teachings or even things about teachings, that's what is
important, lots of Dharma.

I've got feedback from the site : people from the temple have come to
see me. They haven't been adressing the site openly and just voice
background din and imprecise gossip. No directly formulated ideas about
the site. You know, I'm a. the seniormost disciple; and in many
instances when anyone has wanted to get in my agenda for trouble
they've found it : people try to avoid speaking directly to me and the
French in their typical yakkity-yakkity way try to hide their ill-ease
behind a lot of words and gossip. They think : "As long as you're
talking you're not getting bawled out" !!!...and b. they're not
speaking to me about the site right on because :

1. it's TRUE that my master recognized as a reincarnation and that the
wife is missing in respect by denying this (for a time).

2. it's TRUE that she made her son become a ski-instructor and thus
went against her husband the lama, and that when I told her so she
didn't rectify her attitude.

3. it's TRUE that she didn't put his name on the Lam Dre, the main
teaching of our Ngor school and translated by Phende Kenchen (and
sponsored by me !!!)

All these things make that they haven't affronted me on the subject of
the site, because that would be making things hard on themselves
because the facts would be made perfectly clear and things would come
to that we actually bring out all these elements together, sifting
through the nitty-gritty of each detail. So, they prefer to just let it
be and die off in peace and quiet at least. They're probably afraid
that I just ask for all those who have been involved in this, be kicked
out of the temple !!! I'm posting this letter on the first page of the
site as an update-feature today. See it here :
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcultshtm.html

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
Kind regards. I see you see the need for the traditionals among the
lamas to prevail and not be smothered down under misunderstood and
underrated Buddhism by recently converted people and little

convinced,

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
misguided new people to Buddhism. Geir Smith. Yup ! Hope it's not too
much too early.

There's no time like the present. I wonder who coined that phrase.
--

<http://www.actionaid.org/>

Post by Bev Thornton
Long for the wakeful is the night.
Long for the weary, a league.

So, the updating goes on as feedback is coming in. I'm adding on and
putting things up as clearly as possible and things are advancing on
many simultaneous fronts. Even if things aren't going forward openly
and/or per the site, much of the backtracking going on by old members
of the temple here (in France; the temple of E Wam Phende Ling) are
actually more important towards gaining the goal of saving the Tantric
teachings of Tibet in the end, and for the good of all traditions. One
must know that only the Ngorpas have the Tantric traditions of the psat
through the Gyu De Kun Tus and thus Phende Kenchen is the last
natioonal treasure of Tibet that must be saved and that the interest of
all Tibetans is to preserve if not only for their own interest. The
interest of others and of oneself thus are identical in this very holy
and important tradition. These are expressed in the expressions of
"Rang Don and Shan Don" in Tibetan. Understanding this in this world
is understanding the unity of oneself and others that will alone make
us liberated in the next world. This hallowed and holy truth must thus
be furthered by the erudites among the pure Tibetan tradition and the
fate of the welfare of all humanity be accomplished by this
preservation. "Om Mani Peme Hung". May all Tibetans seeing this further
this holy and prophecied work !

See'ya buddy.

[Bev Thornton]

Post by bawa
Zonk.dot.com ? What *is* a good name ? I really don't know. Frank
Zappa.dot ? JimmiHendrix.com ?

No. Something like ngorpa.ORG or gyudekuntas.org, something like that.

Post by bawa
All these things make that they haven't affronted me on the subject of
the site, because that would be making things hard on themselves
because the facts would be made perfectly clear and things would come
to that we actually bring out all these elements together, sifting
through the nitty-gritty of each detail. So, they prefer to just let it
be and die off in peace and quiet at least. They're probably afraid
that I just ask for all those who have been involved in this, be kicked
out of the temple !!! I'm posting this letter on the first page of the
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcultshtm.html

Oh, Henry is keeping good track of most of the bozo brigade. He is more
active on the web-board, e-sangha.

When are you going to publish more on the Gyu De Kun Tas event?

I think it should be in the new world. In Vancouver. hahahahaha

Not much threat of the Chinese invading for at least a bit longer than
Taiwan.

Post by bawa
So, the updating goes on as feedback is coming in. I'm adding on and
putting things up as clearly as possible and things are advancing on
many simultaneous fronts. Even if things aren't going forward openly
and/or per the site, much of the backtracking going on by old members
of the temple here (in France; the temple of E Wam Phende Ling) are
actually more important towards gaining the goal of saving the Tantric
teachings of Tibet in the end, and for the good of all traditions.

savetantra.org?

Post by bawa
must know that only the Ngorpas have the Tantric traditions of the
psat through the Gyu De Kun Tus and thus Phende Kenchen is the last
natioonal treasure of Tibet that must be saved and that the interest
of all Tibetans is to preserve if not only for their own interest.

How many Tibetans are helping to organize the teaching?

Post by bawa
The interest of others and of oneself thus are identical in this very
holy and important tradition. These are expressed in the expressions
of "Rang Don and Shan Don" in Tibetan. Understanding this in this
world is understanding the unity of oneself and others that will alone
make us liberated in the next world.

Unity? I always think of it more along the lines of co-dependent, like
in co-dependent origination ongoing, in continuum.

Post by bawa
This hallowed and holy truth must thus be furthered by the erudites
among the pure Tibetan tradition and the fate of the welfare of all
humanity be accomplished by this preservation. "Om Mani Peme Hung".
May all Tibetans seeing this further this holy and prophecied work !

Maybe they will. Even if they don't know it.

[bawa]

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
Zonk.dot.com ? What *is* a good name ? I really don't know. Frank
Zappa.dot ? JimmiHendrix.com ?

No. Something like ngorpa.ORG or gyudekuntas.org, something like that.

Instead of org let's take ngor. It's Tus not tas : "gyudekuntus.ngor".

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
All these things make that they haven't affronted me on the subject of
the site, because that would be making things hard on themselves
because the facts would be made perfectly clear and things would come
to that we actually bring out all these elements together, sifting
through the nitty-gritty of each detail. So, they prefer to just let it
be and die off in peace and quiet at least. They're probably afraid
that I just ask for all those who have been involved in this, be kicked
out of the temple !!! I'm posting this letter on the first page of the
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcultshtm.html

Oh, Henry is keeping good track of most of the bozo brigade. He is more
active on the web-board, e-sangha.
When are you going to publish more on the Gyu De Kun Tas event?
I think it should be in the new world. In Vancouver. hahahahaha
Not much threat of the Chinese invading for at least a bit longer than
Taiwan.

Phende Kenchen is like Kumarajiva who founded mainstream Buddhism in
China by maintaining a committee of translators to work all the time.
Phende Kenchen is the only Tibetan lama with such a committee on
Tantric texts in Taiwna and everybody tries to get them from him, on
loan, but he keeps them tight.

Threat from China ? The U.S needs to keep China under control and that
won't stop soon. Chin aon the other hand is getting old politically :
the Russians lasted 55 years before Gorbi and China is just ten years
short of that date now. We'll see a Gorbi there in the next ten years
and already melting down soon now.

When it melts down the door will be open and guess who walks in to take
all ? The Taiwanese. We're the first temple of Tibetans in Taiwan
already and with the Gyu De Kun Tus, the tradition is saved and also
Buddhism in China with one billion and a half people is also open.

I'm not publishing more on the envent because the rumbling is going on
inside our group right now and the bronco is bucking. The Chinese ahve
to come on-line and link up an all-Chinese site about it for things to
get under way. That'll take time because they have to agree on the
dates and the envents etc...And we have to get the Karmapas on board as
to when where and how too to begin with. That's all up to Phende
Kenchen and the top guys. I'm just the Sherpa. That's what the site
here is about : getting things rolling elsewhere... behind the scenes.
I'm the tip of the iceberg, but reporting faithfully what's new and
worth reporting.

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
So, the updating goes on as feedback is coming in. I'm adding on and
putting things up as clearly as possible and things are advancing on
many simultaneous fronts. Even if things aren't going forward openly
and/or per the site, much of the backtracking going on by old members
of the temple here (in France; the temple of E Wam Phende Ling) are
actually more important towards gaining the goal of saving the Tantric
teachings of Tibet in the end, and for the good of all traditions.

savetantra.org?

That gets us all the Indian bozo cults.

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
must know that only the Ngorpas have the Tantric traditions of the
psat through the Gyu De Kun Tus and thus Phende Kenchen is the last
natioonal treasure of Tibet that must be saved and that the

interest

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
of all Tibetans is to preserve if not only for their own interest.

How many Tibetans are helping to organize the teaching?

He works with his Chinese who are the mainstay for us. They're real
Buddhists and us Westerners aren't any good at Buddhism. I'm the sole
Westerner in this and none others can follow. I'm the sole reincarnated
Westerner anyways, so it makes for me being in my place really with the
Orientals. Tibetans can't follow because of money. They need so much
money that we can't provide that and also do our project so we've
jettisonned all that a long time ago. Sorry to not be more specific and
not mentioning any real names and just forget the question. This is a
very embarrassing subject because the situation is so bad that there's
nothing really that can be done about it. Concentrate on the rest,
please. I'm not broaching the subject, I've just let it be now.

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
The interest of others and of oneself thus are identical in this very
holy and important tradition. These are expressed in the

expressions

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
of "Rang Don and Shan Don" in Tibetan. Understanding this in this
world is understanding the unity of oneself and others that will alone
make us liberated in the next world.

Unity? I always think of it more along the lines of co-dependent, like
in co-dependent origination ongoing, in continuum.

No, unity without a capital letter; no philosphy there, like
"Unitarianism".

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
This hallowed and holy truth must thus be furthered by the erudites
among the pure Tibetan tradition and the fate of the welfare of all
humanity be accomplished by this preservation. "Om Mani Peme Hung".
May all Tibetans seeing this further this holy and prophecied work !

Maybe they will. Even if they don't know it.

Yes, supporting even if from afar, and rejoicing in the merits of all
sentient beings is the true path to Nirvana, right ?

Post by Bev Thornton
--

<http://www.iccnow.org/>

Post by Bev Thornton
Non-attachment is the best of all states.

[Bev Thornton]

Post by bawa
Instead of org let's take ngor. It's Tus not tas : "gyudekuntus.ngor".

They can't be made that way. The end has to be either one of the
US-based kind, like .com, .org, .net or a national one like .ca or .fr

.org is the one that most people relate to something official. It stands
for 'organization.'

Post by bawa
Phende Kenchen is like Kumarajiva who founded mainstream Buddhism in
China by maintaining a committee of translators to work all the time.
Phende Kenchen is the only Tibetan lama with such a committee on
Tantric texts in Taiwna and everybody tries to get them from him, on
loan, but he keeps them tight.

That's okay, that's all his call, eh?

Post by bawa
Threat from China ? The U.S needs to keep China under control and that
the Russians lasted 55 years before Gorbi and China is just ten years
short of that date now. We'll see a Gorbi there in the next ten years
and already melting down soon now.

Maybe. Maybe especially if that damnable dam fails.

There is one thing that is very different though and that is relations
with the rest of the world. China does not have the same relationships
as did the Soviets. They cannot relate to Open Government and
Restructuring, Glasnost and Perestroika yet, they are more than a decade
away from that.

Post by bawa
When it melts down the door will be open and guess who walks in to take
all ? The Taiwanese. We're the first temple of Tibetans in Taiwan
already and with the Gyu De Kun Tus, the tradition is saved and also
Buddhism in China with one billion and a half people is also open.

That would be nice, but I don't know if it is likely.

Post by bawa
I'm not publishing more on the envent because the rumbling is going on
inside our group right now and the bronco is bucking. The Chinese ahve
to come on-line and link up an all-Chinese site about it for things to
get under way. That'll take time because they have to agree on the
dates and the envents etc...And we have to get the Karmapas on board as
to when where and how too to begin with. That's all up to Phende
Kenchen and the top guys. I'm just the Sherpa. That's what the site
here is about : getting things rolling elsewhere... behind the scenes.
I'm the tip of the iceberg, but reporting faithfully what's new and
worth reporting.

What about a Tibetan site? That is possible now with web fonts.

Post by bawa

Post by Bev Thornton
savetantra.org?

That gets us all the Indian bozo cults.

haha, yeah, I laughed when typing it. Would probably attract the pervs
too. One time I typed just 'tantra' into a search engine and all it
displayed were links to porn sites.

Post by bawa
He works with his Chinese who are the mainstay for us. They're real
Buddhists and us Westerners aren't any good at Buddhism. I'm the sole
Westerner in this and none others can follow. I'm the sole reincarnated
Westerner anyways, so it makes for me being in my place really with the
Orientals. Tibetans can't follow because of money. They need so much
money that we can't provide that and also do our project so we've
jettisonned all that a long time ago. Sorry to not be more specific and
not mentioning any real names and just forget the question. This is a
very embarrassing subject because the situation is so bad that there's
nothing really that can be done about it. Concentrate on the rest,
please. I'm not broaching the subject, I've just let it be now.

Oh, okay. It'll all work out in the wash anyway. A lot of teachers have
to work with the honkies for the very same reasons.

Post by bawa
No, unity without a capital letter; no philosphy there, like
"Unitarianism".

Unitarian Buddhists? haha

Post by bawa
Yes, supporting even if from afar, and rejoicing in the merits of all
sentient beings is the true path to Nirvana, right ?

Two limbs at least.

[bawa]

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
Zonk.dot.com ? What *is* a good name ? I really don't know. Frank
Zappa.dot ? JimmiHendrix.com ?

No. Something like ngorpa.ORG or gyudekuntas.org, something like that.

Post by bawa
All these things make that they haven't affronted me on the subject of
the site, because that would be making things hard on themselves
because the facts would be made perfectly clear and things would come
to that we actually bring out all these elements together, sifting
through the nitty-gritty of each detail. So, they prefer to just let it
be and die off in peace and quiet at least. They're probably afraid
that I just ask for all those who have been involved in this, be kicked
out of the temple !!! I'm posting this letter on the first page of the
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcultshtm.html

Oh, Henry is keeping good track of most of the bozo brigade. He is more
active on the web-board, e-sangha.
When are you going to publish more on the Gyu De Kun Tas event?
I think it should be in the new world. In Vancouver. hahahahaha
Not much threat of the Chinese invading for at least a bit longer than
Taiwan.

No threat to Taiwan from China. See Brezinski and this other guy : both
their different ways, Taiwan makes it OK because it's at the center of
everything and going for it blows up everything for everybody.

"U.S. power may recede gradually in
the coming years, and the unavoidable decline in Japan's influence
will
heighten the sense of China's regional preeminence. But to have a
real
collision, China needs a military that is capable of going toe-to-toe
with
the United States. At the strategic level, China maintains a posture of

minimum deterrence. Forty years after acquiring nuclear-weapons
technology,
China has just 24 ballistic missiles capable of hitting the United
States.
Even beyond the realm of strategic warfare, a country must have the
capacity
to attain its political objectives before it will engage in limited
war. It
is hard to envisage how China could promote its objectives when it is
acutely vulnerable to a blockade and isolation enforced by the United
States. In a conflict, Chinese maritime trade would stop entirely. The
flow
of oil would cease, and the Chinese economy would be paralyzed."

http://tinyurl.com/6996l

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
So, the updating goes on as feedback is coming in. I'm adding on and
putting things up as clearly as possible and things are advancing on
many simultaneous fronts. Even if things aren't going forward openly
and/or per the site, much of the backtracking going on by old members
of the temple here (in France; the temple of E Wam Phende Ling) are
actually more important towards gaining the goal of saving the Tantric
teachings of Tibet in the end, and for the good of all traditions.

savetantra.org?

Post by bawa
must know that only the Ngorpas have the Tantric traditions of the
psat through the Gyu De Kun Tus and thus Phende Kenchen is the last
natioonal treasure of Tibet that must be saved and that the

interest

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
of all Tibetans is to preserve if not only for their own interest.

How many Tibetans are helping to organize the teaching?

Post by bawa
The interest of others and of oneself thus are identical in this very
holy and important tradition. These are expressed in the

expressions

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
of "Rang Don and Shan Don" in Tibetan. Understanding this in this
world is understanding the unity of oneself and others that will alone
make us liberated in the next world.

Unity? I always think of it more along the lines of co-dependent, like
in co-dependent origination ongoing, in continuum.

Post by bawa
This hallowed and holy truth must thus be furthered by the erudites
among the pure Tibetan tradition and the fate of the welfare of all
humanity be accomplished by this preservation. "Om Mani Peme Hung".
May all Tibetans seeing this further this holy and prophecied work !

Maybe they will. Even if they don't know it.
--

<http://www.iccnow.org/>

Post by Bev Thornton
Non-attachment is the best of all states.

[Bev Thornton]

Post by bawa
No threat to Taiwan from China. See Brezinski and this other guy : both
their different ways, Taiwan makes it OK because it's at the center of
everything and going for it blows up everything for everybody.

Isn't that what China did internally in the 1960's with the Cultrual
Revolution? They blow everything up for everybody about every fifty
years or so.

Post by bawa
minimum deterrence. Forty years after acquiring nuclear-weapons
technology, China has just 24 ballistic missiles capable of hitting
the United States.

This is misleading and is coming from someone who knows better. The
article is some kind of propaganda.

Post by bawa
Even beyond the realm of strategic warfare, a country must have the
capacity to attain its political objectives before it will engage in
limited war.

That is simply false. And Brzezinski knows better on that too. Be
careful what you read. He is playing an illusion on hindsight there.
Very strange.

Post by bawa
is hard to envisage how China could promote its objectives when it is
acutely vulnerable to a blockade and isolation enforced by the United
States. In a conflict, Chinese maritime trade would stop entirely. The
flow of oil would cease, and the Chinese economy would be paralyzed."

The proper word is 'mobilised,' the Chinese economy would be mobilised
to make-up for any naval or trade difficulties. That is what really
happens when real countries engage in real wars.

Don't follow the soothsaying of a war monger.

[bawa]

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
No threat to Taiwan from China. See Brezinski and this other guy : both
their different ways, Taiwan makes it OK because it's at the center of
everything and going for it blows up everything for everybody.

Isn't that what China did internally in the 1960's with the Cultrual
Revolution? They blow everything up for everybody about every fifty
years or so.

That's the problem with China : no way to now with them because their
right hand doesn't now what their left is doing and what is built up
now will be destroyed as you say fifty years later. But not so with
Taiwan that's outside of China. Like with Japan they have their own
year-cycles and don't tick in with those of China. Taiwan and Japan and
the island countries have more predatorial cycles where they depend on
the sea-faring chances. They were pretty much pirate resorts until the
mainlanders came out with Chang Kai Chek and took it over. They're on
the line with Hawai and Okinawa with the American influence, rather
than just outposts of China. No China lost that post in '48, and it
won't return to them in several decades or centuries. So, Taiwan is as
secure as one can hope. They have such technological advance on China
that's still pretty backwards in the hinterlands, that one Taiwanese
can shoot it out and bring up to 500 Chinese along with nhim to the
grave in a conflict. Gunning for 30 million Taiwanese, the Chinese have
to put up 15 billion Chinese in Holocaust and they will never have
those figures and that suicidal will. Taiwanese cannot be just gobbled
up like Hong Kong and Macao. That's just dreaming to think that. The
Chinese cannot ford the Taiwan Straits because they're faced with
Taiwan's good weaponry, America's airborne assault forces, satellite
technology that China does not have, the forces in Guam, Okinawa, Diego
Garcia, Hawai, as well as the help to Taiwan from Japan, and a possible
incursion from Russia if China is blitzed to the ground. What Chinese
Emperor wants to make all those peoples' day ? The people who have that
as a strategical plan must have watched too much Star Wars and been on
drugs at the same time !!!!

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
minimum deterrence. Forty years after acquiring nuclear-weapons
technology, China has just 24 ballistic missiles capable of hitting
the United States.

This is misleading and is coming from someone who knows better. The
article is some kind of propaganda.

Post by bawa
Even beyond the realm of strategic warfare, a country must have the
capacity to attain its political objectives before it will engage in
limited war.

That is simply false. And Brzezinski knows better on that too. Be
careful what you read. He is playing an illusion on hindsight there.
Very strange.

Post by bawa
is hard to envisage how China could promote its objectives when it is
acutely vulnerable to a blockade and isolation enforced by the United
States. In a conflict, Chinese maritime trade would stop entirely. The
flow of oil would cease, and the Chinese economy would be

paralyzed."

Post by Bev Thornton
The proper word is 'mobilised,' the Chinese economy would be

mobilised

Post by Bev Thornton
to make-up for any naval or trade difficulties. That is what really
happens when real countries engage in real wars.
Don't follow the soothsaying of a war monger.
--

<http://www.care.org/>

Post by Bev Thornton
Better to conquer yourself than others.

Well, I personnally prefer Bush's no-frills approach and the result is
the same as in the end. I don't do politica anyways. The main thing is
to keep the Chinese on a leash and not talk to them ever. Only when the
Reds have fallen can China become engaging.

[bawa]

The winds of change are on in the area of the Gyu De Kun Tus and my
site about getting it organized. It's that the content of my site is
not contested as I champion Phende Kenchen and the respect of his
authority and this is tough to swallow for women's lib here in France.
That's why it's moving : because the French are not educated
internationnally and they have to translate my whole site which is a
big task for them. They're thus going through their death-throes in
translating it slowly and circulating copies among themsleves and by
the time they get the lead-slugs in their system it's too late to react
seeing the site's already been up and running for near to a month now.
So, the Gyu De Kun Tus championned in the site is getting near to
becoming a reality... but the process goes through all those who
contested Phende Kenchen croaking off (This is an example particularly
of what the French take months to get translated because they can't
find "croaking" in their dictionnaries !!)

[bawa]

Post by bawa
The winds of change are on in the area of the Gyu De Kun Tus and my
site about getting it organized. It's that the content of my site is
not contested as I champion Phende Kenchen and the respect of his
authority and this is tough to swallow for women's lib here in

France.

Post by bawa
That's why it's moving : because the French are not educated
internationnally and they have to translate my whole site which is a
big task for them. They're thus going through their death-throes in
translating it slowly and circulating copies among themsleves and by
the time they get the lead-slugs in their system it's too late to react
seeing the site's already been up and running for near to a month now.
So, the Gyu De Kun Tus championned in the site is getting near to
becoming a reality... but the process goes through all those who
contested Phende Kenchen croaking off (This is an example

particularly

Post by bawa
of what the French take months to get translated because they can't
find "croaking" in their dictionnaries !!)

The site has been upgraded with a new end to the page illustrating the
strategy of going to Taiwan to organize and making a group of people to
do it. The beginning of the organization will be to set up lodging for
all. The Buddhist path's practise and study will be that : organizing
the empowerment for many. Later it will be receiving the teaching....
while possibly also still being part of the organization, an added
merit and privilege. This is thus a path of service to Humanity that
will not survive without preserving it's spiritual Tantric tradition.
Great maledictions are to be forecast in case of losing it.... without
receding into catastrophistical thinking. The Gyu De Kun Tus
empowerment has never been given by Phende Kenchen since leaving Tibet
and has only been requested officially (for this highly important and
lengthy ceremony that lasts over a year [Phende Kenchen received it
over a three-year period himself]) and that was by the former Karmapa
who wanted to organize it in Sikkim. Before the vast amounts of lamas
and monks to be gathered for it, and the tough times that the early
refugees were facing, Phende Kenchen dissuaded his childhood friend,
Karmapa, from going forth with it. So now is the time, the time of
great and meaningfull destiny : the time of accomplishing the prophecy.
Contact me as is indicated on the site and we can start our
preparations that must not wait. Phende Kenchen is entering his
seventies and the time is now and not later. Hurry for the hours are
few and the need is great ! This is thus also the path of fulfilling
the prophecied times of the Kagyus, of the Ngorpas and also of the
other Buddhists, who require these empowerments, so as to continue
their destinies as descendants of the Tantric Buddhism of Tibet, and
without which there *is* no tradition of Tibet per se. It is courageous
to go out to Taiwan and organize a massive empowerment of one thousand
people approximately, so only the brave-hearted should come with me.
But it is a worthy challenge and the work of a lifetime. It is the
work that Buddhists predict will save the world. Be glorious and save
your tradition, and through that the whole of Humanity. Just as seeing
emptiness in one dharma, makes one see it in all, likewise, by saving
oneself in one's tradition, one can also benefit others, and
pregoressiveley include all into that. I need people out there with me
and a group of half a dozen should enable to make it happen. Count
yourselves and all we need will show up on the way. Trust he Three
Jewels and it will happen ! Nothing is impossible to the stout-hearted.
To quote the French : "To the valiant heart nothing is impossible" !
This is the same in Buddhism. Courage makes force. Geir Smith.

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html

[bawa]

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
The winds of change are on in the area of the Gyu De Kun Tus and

my

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
site about getting it organized. It's that the content of my site is
not contested as I champion Phende Kenchen and the respect of his
authority and this is tough to swallow for women's lib here in

France.

Post by bawa
That's why it's moving : because the French are not educated
internationnally and they have to translate my whole site which is a
big task for them. They're thus going through their death-throes in
translating it slowly and circulating copies among themsleves and by
the time they get the lead-slugs in their system it's too late to

react

Post by bawa
seeing the site's already been up and running for near to a month

now.

Post by bawa
So, the Gyu De Kun Tus championned in the site is getting near to
becoming a reality... but the process goes through all those who
contested Phende Kenchen croaking off (This is an example

particularly

Post by bawa
of what the French take months to get translated because they can't
find "croaking" in their dictionnaries !!)

The site has been upgraded with a new end to the page illustrating the
strategy of going to Taiwan to organize and making a group of people to
do it. The beginning of the organization will be to set up lodging for

organizing

Post by Kalachakrapa
the empowerment for many. Later it will be receiving the teaching....
while possibly also still being part of the organization, an added
merit and privilege. This is thus a path of service to Humanity that
will not survive without preserving it's spiritual Tantric

tradition.

Post by Kalachakrapa
Great maledictions are to be forecast in case of losing it....

without

Post by Kalachakrapa
receding into catastrophistical thinking. The Gyu De Kun Tus
empowerment has never been given by Phende Kenchen since leaving Tibet
and has only been requested officially (for this highly important and
lengthy ceremony that lasts over a year [Phende Kenchen received it
over a three-year period himself]) and that was by the former Karmapa
who wanted to organize it in Sikkim. Before the vast amounts of lamas
and monks to be gathered for it, and the tough times that the early
refugees were facing, Phende Kenchen dissuaded his childhood friend,
Karmapa, from going forth with it. So now is the time, the time of
great and meaningfull destiny : the time of accomplishing the

prophecy.

Post by Kalachakrapa
Contact me as is indicated on the site and we can start our
preparations that must not wait. Phende Kenchen is entering his
seventies and the time is now and not later. Hurry for the hours are
few and the need is great ! This is thus also the path of fulfilling
the prophecied times of the Kagyus, of the Ngorpas and also of the
other Buddhists, who require these empowerments, so as to continue
their destinies as descendants of the Tantric Buddhism of Tibet, and
without which there *is* no tradition of Tibet per se. It is

courageous

Post by Kalachakrapa
to go out to Taiwan and organize a massive empowerment of one

thousand

Post by Kalachakrapa
people approximately, so only the brave-hearted should come with me.
But it is a worthy challenge and the work of a lifetime. It is the
work that Buddhists predict will save the world. Be glorious and save
your tradition, and through that the whole of Humanity. Just as seeing
emptiness in one dharma, makes one see it in all, likewise, by saving
oneself in one's tradition, one can also benefit others, and
pregoressiveley include all into that. I need people out there with me
and a group of half a dozen should enable to make it happen. Count
yourselves and all we need will show up on the way. Trust he Three
Jewels and it will happen ! Nothing is impossible to the

stout-hearted.

Post by Kalachakrapa
To quote the French : "To the valiant heart nothing is impossible" !
This is the same in Buddhism. Courage makes force. Geir Smith.
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html

Seeing it'll be difficult for people to stay so long in Taiwan (six to
ten months to really get all the organizing done) people will maybe
rather just come on out for a month or so. We can get a big house that
can act as the hostel for everyone, housing fifty. Inside, we'll have a
core of half a dozen regulars and the rest passing through. All
together we'll do good work though. We need the first sponsors to start
things off and then we'll get the last ones on the way. The people who
have received the empowerment will, for the most serious of them, need
to go into retreat and they'll need sponsors too, so this is all part
of the job for now.

Questions about travelling and all other topics can be adressed to the
groups board : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NGORPATULKU/

Bye. Geir Smith. Get the ball rolling ! Cowards !

[bawa]

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
The winds of change are on in the area of the Gyu De Kun Tus and

my

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
site about getting it organized. It's that the content of my site

is

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
not contested as I champion Phende Kenchen and the respect of his
authority and this is tough to swallow for women's lib here in

France.

Post by bawa
That's why it's moving : because the French are not educated
internationnally and they have to translate my whole site which

is

Post by bawa
a

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
big task for them. They're thus going through their death-throes in
translating it slowly and circulating copies among themsleves and

by

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
the time they get the lead-slugs in their system it's too late to

react

Post by bawa
seeing the site's already been up and running for near to a month

now.

Post by bawa
So, the Gyu De Kun Tus championned in the site is getting near to
becoming a reality... but the process goes through all those who
contested Phende Kenchen croaking off (This is an example

particularly

Post by bawa
of what the French take months to get translated because they can't
find "croaking" in their dictionnaries !!)

The site has been upgraded with a new end to the page illustrating

the

Post by Kalachakrapa
strategy of going to Taiwan to organize and making a group of

people

Post by bawa
to

Post by Kalachakrapa
do it. The beginning of the organization will be to set up lodging

for
organizing

Post by Kalachakrapa
the empowerment for many. Later it will be receiving the

teaching....

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
while possibly also still being part of the organization, an added
merit and privilege. This is thus a path of service to Humanity that
will not survive without preserving it's spiritual Tantric

tradition.

Post by Kalachakrapa
Great maledictions are to be forecast in case of losing it....

without

Post by Kalachakrapa
receding into catastrophistical thinking. The Gyu De Kun Tus
empowerment has never been given by Phende Kenchen since leaving

Tibet

Post by Kalachakrapa
and has only been requested officially (for this highly important and
lengthy ceremony that lasts over a year [Phende Kenchen received it
over a three-year period himself]) and that was by the former Karmapa
who wanted to organize it in Sikkim. Before the vast amounts of lamas
and monks to be gathered for it, and the tough times that the early
refugees were facing, Phende Kenchen dissuaded his childhood

friend,

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
Karmapa, from going forth with it. So now is the time, the time of
great and meaningfull destiny : the time of accomplishing the

prophecy.

Post by Kalachakrapa
Contact me as is indicated on the site and we can start our
preparations that must not wait. Phende Kenchen is entering his
seventies and the time is now and not later. Hurry for the hours are
few and the need is great ! This is thus also the path of

fulfilling

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
the prophecied times of the Kagyus, of the Ngorpas and also of the
other Buddhists, who require these empowerments, so as to continue
their destinies as descendants of the Tantric Buddhism of Tibet, and
without which there *is* no tradition of Tibet per se. It is

courageous

Post by Kalachakrapa
to go out to Taiwan and organize a massive empowerment of one

thousand

Post by Kalachakrapa
people approximately, so only the brave-hearted should come with me.
But it is a worthy challenge and the work of a lifetime. It is the
work that Buddhists predict will save the world. Be glorious and save
your tradition, and through that the whole of Humanity. Just as

seeing

Post by Kalachakrapa
emptiness in one dharma, makes one see it in all, likewise, by saving
oneself in one's tradition, one can also benefit others, and
pregoressiveley include all into that. I need people out there with

me

Post by Kalachakrapa
and a group of half a dozen should enable to make it happen. Count
yourselves and all we need will show up on the way. Trust he Three
Jewels and it will happen ! Nothing is impossible to the

stout-hearted.

Post by Kalachakrapa
To quote the French : "To the valiant heart nothing is impossible" !
This is the same in Buddhism. Courage makes force. Geir Smith.
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html

Seeing it'll be difficult for people to stay so long in Taiwan (six to
ten months to really get all the organizing done) people will maybe
rather just come on out for a month or so. We can get a big house that
can act as the hostel for everyone, housing fifty. Inside, we'll have a
core of half a dozen regulars and the rest passing through. All
together we'll do good work though. We need the first sponsors to start
things off and then we'll get the last ones on the way. The people who
have received the empowerment will, for the most serious of them, need
to go into retreat and they'll need sponsors too, so this is all part
of the job for now.
Questions about travelling and all other topics can be adressed to the
groups board : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NGORPATULKU/
Bye. Geir Smith. Get the ball rolling ! Cowards !

New updates on cults on my site : Steven Seagal.

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcults2.html

He tries desperately in Duh!-style to adress what people think about
him and whether he indeed, is a fraud, and no holy-man that someone
had the whimsical idea to declare him to be.

[bawa]

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
The winds of change are on in the area of the Gyu De Kun Tus and

my

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
site about getting it organized. It's that the content of my site

is

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
not contested as I champion Phende Kenchen and the respect of his
authority and this is tough to swallow for women's lib here in

France.

Post by bawa
That's why it's moving : because the French are not educated
internationnally and they have to translate my whole site which

is

Post by bawa
a

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
big task for them. They're thus going through their death-throes in
translating it slowly and circulating copies among themsleves and

by

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
the time they get the lead-slugs in their system it's too late to

react

Post by bawa
seeing the site's already been up and running for near to a month

now.

Post by bawa
So, the Gyu De Kun Tus championned in the site is getting near to
becoming a reality... but the process goes through all those who
contested Phende Kenchen croaking off (This is an example

particularly

Post by bawa
of what the French take months to get translated because they can't
find "croaking" in their dictionnaries !!)

The site has been upgraded with a new end to the page illustrating

the

Post by Kalachakrapa
strategy of going to Taiwan to organize and making a group of

people

Post by bawa
to

Post by Kalachakrapa
do it. The beginning of the organization will be to set up lodging

for
organizing

Post by Kalachakrapa
the empowerment for many. Later it will be receiving the

teaching....

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
while possibly also still being part of the organization, an added
merit and privilege. This is thus a path of service to Humanity that
will not survive without preserving it's spiritual Tantric

tradition.

Post by Kalachakrapa
Great maledictions are to be forecast in case of losing it....

without

Post by Kalachakrapa
receding into catastrophistical thinking. The Gyu De Kun Tus
empowerment has never been given by Phende Kenchen since leaving

Tibet

Post by Kalachakrapa
and has only been requested officially (for this highly important and
lengthy ceremony that lasts over a year [Phende Kenchen received it
over a three-year period himself]) and that was by the former Karmapa
who wanted to organize it in Sikkim. Before the vast amounts of lamas
and monks to be gathered for it, and the tough times that the early
refugees were facing, Phende Kenchen dissuaded his childhood

friend,

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
Karmapa, from going forth with it. So now is the time, the time of
great and meaningfull destiny : the time of accomplishing the

prophecy.

Post by Kalachakrapa
Contact me as is indicated on the site and we can start our
preparations that must not wait. Phende Kenchen is entering his
seventies and the time is now and not later. Hurry for the hours are
few and the need is great ! This is thus also the path of

fulfilling

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
the prophecied times of the Kagyus, of the Ngorpas and also of the
other Buddhists, who require these empowerments, so as to continue
their destinies as descendants of the Tantric Buddhism of Tibet, and
without which there *is* no tradition of Tibet per se. It is

courageous

Post by Kalachakrapa
to go out to Taiwan and organize a massive empowerment of one

thousand

Post by Kalachakrapa
people approximately, so only the brave-hearted should come with me.
But it is a worthy challenge and the work of a lifetime. It is the
work that Buddhists predict will save the world. Be glorious and save
your tradition, and through that the whole of Humanity. Just as

seeing

Post by Kalachakrapa
emptiness in one dharma, makes one see it in all, likewise, by saving
oneself in one's tradition, one can also benefit others, and
pregoressiveley include all into that. I need people out there with

me

Post by Kalachakrapa
and a group of half a dozen should enable to make it happen. Count
yourselves and all we need will show up on the way. Trust he Three
Jewels and it will happen ! Nothing is impossible to the

stout-hearted.

Post by Kalachakrapa
To quote the French : "To the valiant heart nothing is impossible" !
This is the same in Buddhism. Courage makes force. Geir Smith.
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html

Seeing it'll be difficult for people to stay so long in Taiwan (six to
ten months to really get all the organizing done) people will maybe
rather just come on out for a month or so. We can get a big house that
can act as the hostel for everyone, housing fifty. Inside, we'll have a
core of half a dozen regulars and the rest passing through. All
together we'll do good work though. We need the first sponsors to start
things off and then we'll get the last ones on the way. The people who
have received the empowerment will, for the most serious of them, need
to go into retreat and they'll need sponsors too, so this is all part
of the job for now.
Questions about travelling and all other topics can be adressed to the
groups board : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NGORPATULKU/
Bye. Geir Smith. Get the ball rolling ! Cowards !

New updates on cults on my site : Steven Seagal.

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcults2.html

He tries desperately in Duh!-style to adress what people think about
him and whether he indeed, is a fraud, and no holy-man that someone
had the whimsical idea to declare him to be.

[bawa]

Post by Krishnacharya1

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
The winds of change are on in the area of the Gyu De Kun Tus and

my

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
site about getting it organized. It's that the content of my site

is

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
not contested as I champion Phende Kenchen and the respect of his
authority and this is tough to swallow for women's lib here in

France.

Post by bawa
That's why it's moving : because the French are not educated
internationnally and they have to translate my whole site which

is

Post by bawa
a

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
big task for them. They're thus going through their

death-throes

Post by Krishnacharya1
in

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
translating it slowly and circulating copies among themsleves and

by

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
the time they get the lead-slugs in their system it's too late to

react

Post by bawa
seeing the site's already been up and running for near to a month

now.

Post by bawa
So, the Gyu De Kun Tus championned in the site is getting near to
becoming a reality... but the process goes through all those who
contested Phende Kenchen croaking off (This is an example

particularly

Post by bawa
of what the French take months to get translated because they

can't

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
find "croaking" in their dictionnaries !!)

The site has been upgraded with a new end to the page

illustrating

Post by Krishnacharya1

Post by bawa
the

Post by Kalachakrapa
strategy of going to Taiwan to organize and making a group of

people

Post by bawa
to

Post by Kalachakrapa
do it. The beginning of the organization will be to set up

lodging

Post by Krishnacharya1

Post by bawa
for
organizing

Post by Kalachakrapa
the empowerment for many. Later it will be receiving the

teaching....

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
while possibly also still being part of the organization, an added
merit and privilege. This is thus a path of service to Humanity

that

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
will not survive without preserving it's spiritual Tantric

tradition.

Post by Kalachakrapa
Great maledictions are to be forecast in case of losing it....

without

Post by Kalachakrapa
receding into catastrophistical thinking. The Gyu De Kun Tus
empowerment has never been given by Phende Kenchen since leaving

Tibet

Post by Kalachakrapa
and has only been requested officially (for this highly important

and

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
lengthy ceremony that lasts over a year [Phende Kenchen received it
over a three-year period himself]) and that was by the former

Karmapa

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
who wanted to organize it in Sikkim. Before the vast amounts of

lamas

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
and monks to be gathered for it, and the tough times that the early
refugees were facing, Phende Kenchen dissuaded his childhood

friend,

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
Karmapa, from going forth with it. So now is the time, the time of
great and meaningfull destiny : the time of accomplishing the

prophecy.

Post by Kalachakrapa
Contact me as is indicated on the site and we can start our
preparations that must not wait. Phende Kenchen is entering his
seventies and the time is now and not later. Hurry for the hours

are

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
few and the need is great ! This is thus also the path of

fulfilling

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
the prophecied times of the Kagyus, of the Ngorpas and also of the
other Buddhists, who require these empowerments, so as to

continue

Post by Krishnacharya1

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
their destinies as descendants of the Tantric Buddhism of Tibet,

and

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
without which there *is* no tradition of Tibet per se. It is

courageous

Post by Kalachakrapa
to go out to Taiwan and organize a massive empowerment of one

thousand

Post by Kalachakrapa
people approximately, so only the brave-hearted should come with

me.

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
But it is a worthy challenge and the work of a lifetime. It is the
work that Buddhists predict will save the world. Be glorious and

save

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
your tradition, and through that the whole of Humanity. Just as

seeing

Post by Kalachakrapa
emptiness in one dharma, makes one see it in all, likewise, by

saving

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
oneself in one's tradition, one can also benefit others, and
pregoressiveley include all into that. I need people out there with

me

Post by Kalachakrapa
and a group of half a dozen should enable to make it happen. Count
yourselves and all we need will show up on the way. Trust he Three
Jewels and it will happen ! Nothing is impossible to the

stout-hearted.

Post by Kalachakrapa
To quote the French : "To the valiant heart nothing is

impossible"

Post by Krishnacharya1
!

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
This is the same in Buddhism. Courage makes force. Geir Smith.
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html

Seeing it'll be difficult for people to stay so long in Taiwan (six

to

Post by bawa
ten months to really get all the organizing done) people will maybe
rather just come on out for a month or so. We can get a big house

that

Post by bawa
can act as the hostel for everyone, housing fifty. Inside, we'll

have

Post by Krishnacharya1
a

Post by bawa
core of half a dozen regulars and the rest passing through. All
together we'll do good work though. We need the first sponsors to

start

Post by bawa
things off and then we'll get the last ones on the way. The people

who

Post by bawa
have received the empowerment will, for the most serious of them,

need

Post by bawa
to go into retreat and they'll need sponsors too, so this is all part
of the job for now.
Questions about travelling and all other topics can be adressed to

the

Post by bawa
groups board : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NGORPATULKU/
Bye. Geir Smith. Get the ball rolling ! Cowards !

New updates on cults on my site : Steven Seagal.
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcults2.html
He tries desperately in Duh!-style to adress what people think about
him and whether he indeed, is a fraud, and no holy-man that someone
had the whimsical idea to declare him to be.

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcults2.html

Assault the Steven Seagal site's discussion forums to get the links to
my site on their agenda because these are karate fans and if you don't,
it'll be them all over us. Quell'em.

[bawa]

Post by bawa
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcults2.html
Assault the Steven Seagal site's discussion forums to get the links to
my site on their agenda because these are karate fans and if you don't,
it'll be them all over us. Quell'em.

The first and third paragraphs below are new on the front page of my
site (The Laurels and Hardies of Tibetan Buddhism have their sites up
that are cheap, fake sites, showing their crazy thoughts. Opposed to
that is my site that is properly recogized by the highest authority and
that will prevail in time while it will also destroy these upstart
fakes' efforts to usurp that to which they make their claims, "Maitreya
Buddha" recognized by unknown lamas, and Steven Seagal, by a
Update (early March) : This is, below, what Steven Seagal put up on his
website : is Steven for real ? A. My master told me this is not the
right stuff and Penor Rimpoche didn't do something good here B. Penor
has been demoted as head of the Nyingmas since. C.Phende Kenchen has
not been demoted from anything seeing he's the supreme chief of Ngor
and has always been so, not like Penor who became head. Phende Kenchen
is head of Tibet's second sect not a minor sect like Penor. D. My
recognition makes me known - while I wasn't already known like Seagal,
- but for one, my recognizing authority is stable and uncontestable,
(Seagal's is not - making him the laughing stock of the Buddhist
world); and for two, my recognition works through time.... making him
go down and me up...for the good of beings and for the benefit of the
Three Jewels.... that make my recognition worthwhile. stevenseagal.com.
(this is what Steven says :) among others that "I am here on this
Earth for thing and that is to see if I can somehow serve Mankind and
ease the suffering of others." His site shows his "Duh !" personality
and doesn't he rather deserve to be shown on our cult-page ? Seagal
says he's gearing up for spiritual films but he'll have to go with this
string to his foot (this proposal to put him in the cult-section here)
because the Buddha Dharma needs more discipline and not more nonsense
like he churns out on the media all over the place...More good and less
bad. And he sure doesn't help that !


RECENT UPDATE (at the end of Feb.) The letter below was posted to
alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan. Now this present site has been on-line
since Jan. 31st. Seeing feedback has been so slight from those that are
targeted, it's now become "law". Another three-four weeks and this will
be even "history". The question now is just what reaction, (if any),
there will be from the temple-members. All I have to say to them in
anticipation to their reactions, if any, are : "Make my day, guys" !
The lying at the temple there at E Wam Phende Ling has made it into
more of a cult than anything else and not the expression of Phende
Kenchen's intent. Here by this site, the naysayers that are snidely
muttering that I'm an upstart fraud, and thus challenging Phende
Kenchen (that is the recognizing authority for me) are debunked,
rebuked and negated flatly. I'm ready to take on anyone in the world
who challenges the authority of Phende Kenchen, and are upstarts
themselves. Indeed, no one can legitimately challenge Phende Kenchen :
he is the head of the second most influential school of Tibetan
Buddhism - and world Buddhism seeing Tibetan Buddhism is the head of
the Chinese Buddhist Church - as it (Ngor) is 85% of the Sakya school.
No one in the world can challenge Phende Kenchen's authority.
Furthermore, being the sole holder of the Gyu De Kun Tus from Tibet to
this day, no one can challenge his authority for fear of being
themselves exposed naked on this score too. As I said just above :
"Make my day, friends" ! If anyone wants to : "Make my day, guys"!! No
one holds the tradition from Tibet of it except for him, so challenging
Phende Kenchen is showing one's own lacking. There is no turning back
time and getting a tradition from Tibet that is now extinct there. That
would need a time-machine and something like "Return to the Future".
"Clueless in Seattle", eh ? :


Meanwhile, here is the above-metionned letter :


"I've got feedback from the site : people from the temple have come to
.....


Read more :





Buddha Maitreya continues his entreprise of getting "enthroned", this
time his speel
gets a bit tacky and desperate : "this Western Tulku would be the
"Savior to the Tibetan People." (sic. !) His desperation shows in
saying that "As with all international Dharshans, the nature of this
Dharshan, pilgrimage to Kathmandu Nepal, is a combination of the known
and the spontaneous... There are so many auspicious, ceremonial events
taking place. Please be prepared and be open to change on this
upcoming pilgrimage to the `Rooftop of the World', the very blessed
holy Himalayan Kingdom of Nepal, and to be open to receive and witness
Buddha Maitreya's recognition from the Hierarchy amongst Humanity in
whatever form it should take... " Maoists are killing people by the
thousands so that explains this fuzzy no-talk there by "Buddha
Maitreya". Read the new trip to the "enthronment"-page and program
(that'll probably again be doomed by Nepal's terrible security status
that's not going to go away !) : this guy is a mid-stream moron that
knows nothing about what he's gotten into in Asia, no better than
Steven Seagal, the two Laurel and Hardies of our present day Buddhism,
and the prefect illustration of Western confusion about understanding
these traditions which they misunderstand and are totally out at sea
in.>

Geir Smith.

[bawa]

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcults2.html

Cult-page updates today ; ARBT is used for the site. I hope no one
objects to their posts being used to debunk cults like Steven Seagal
or....Buddha Maitreya !

This is the excerpt :

"I don't think it is premature for Henry to think about including
Steven Seagal in his list of cults that use Tibetan Buddhism for their
own personal interests. He should think about it now.


He claims things like "I am here on this Earth for one thing and that
is to see if I can somehow serve Mankind and ease the suffering of
others." This is hallucinatory and comes from some cult-like
inspiration - or else we're all done for, and can just elect him as the
new Messiah to replace Jesus, Mohamed and all other prophets. No, to
stop this kind of offensive from the karate-squad, we can just put them
to the test here. No one should be given credit without being checked
first : and that's what we can do now. If he fails, then he will pay
for it heavily. And if he gets through, well, so much the better for
him, given his present status and proof of erudition on the web that is
dismal to say the least..


So as not to let imbeciles get into Tibetan Buddhism we can offer up
Steven Seagal in Holocaust to our test of his "divinity" !!! If he has
short-comings, they will trip him up, not anyone from outside him, as
he seems to think is the case. He will cause his own downfall !


Thus, here is this question : "Is Steven Seagal a cult, secretly
slipping into Tibetan Buddhism ?" It's not good, because it can have a
big impact in a few years when the main lamas have all died. People are
capable of worshipping even idiots like kings, mountains or even trees.
look at the idiocy of his site : here


This exchange on ARBT, the public newsgroup of Buddhism, about those
two bozos, Steven Seagal and "Buddha Maitreya" and their weird claims;
excerpt : "Tell "Maitreya Buddha Tulku" that; he who's getting
*enthroned* between gun-battles in Nepal in Oct. Steven Seagal is also
gearing up to spread the holy word on his site and starts out by making
preposterous displays of so-called Dharma on it !"


How can a hero of violent dramas like Seagal, be recognized a Buddhist
reincarnation, the representation of peacefulness and compassion ?
This is not good for Buddhism or for it's appearance to outsiders. It
is not constructive !
"

[bawa]

Post by bawa
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcults2.html
Cult-page updates today ; ARBT is used for the site. I hope no one
objects to their posts being used to debunk cults like Steven Seagal
or....Buddha Maitreya !
"I don't think it is premature for Henry to think about including
Steven Seagal in his list of cults that use Tibetan Buddhism for their
own personal interests. He should think about it now.
He claims things like "I am here on this Earth for one thing and that
is to see if I can somehow serve Mankind and ease the suffering of
others." This is hallucinatory and comes from some cult-like
inspiration - or else we're all done for, and can just elect him as the
new Messiah to replace Jesus, Mohamed and all other prophets. No, to
stop this kind of offensive from the karate-squad, we can just put them
to the test here. No one should be given credit without being checked
first : and that's what we can do now. If he fails, then he will pay
for it heavily. And if he gets through, well, so much the better for
him, given his present status and proof of erudition on the web that is
dismal to say the least..
So as not to let imbeciles get into Tibetan Buddhism we can offer up
Steven Seagal in Holocaust to our test of his "divinity" !!! If he has
short-comings, they will trip him up, not anyone from outside him, as
he seems to think is the case. He will cause his own downfall !
Thus, here is this question : "Is Steven Seagal a cult, secretly
slipping into Tibetan Buddhism ?" It's not good, because it can have a
big impact in a few years when the main lamas have all died. People are
capable of worshipping even idiots like kings, mountains or even trees.
look at the idiocy of his site : here
This exchange on ARBT, the public newsgroup of Buddhism, about those
two bozos, Steven Seagal and "Buddha Maitreya" and their weird

claims;

Post by bawa
excerpt : "Tell "Maitreya Buddha Tulku" that; he who's getting
*enthroned* between gun-battles in Nepal in Oct. Steven Seagal is also
gearing up to spread the holy word on his site and starts out by making
preposterous displays of so-called Dharma on it !"
How can a hero of violent dramas like Seagal, be recognized a

Buddhist

Post by bawa
reincarnation, the representation of peacefulness and compassion ?
This is not good for Buddhism or for it's appearance to outsiders. It
is not constructive !
"

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html

sex sex sex !!!

[bawa]

Post by bawa
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html
sex sex sex !!!

This is one page that one must absolutely bookmark if one bookmarks
just one page on the whole wide web.

It's constantly updated with fresh links.

It has the most seizing Tantric sexual sculptures and paintings on the
whole web, (as ) and the collection is growing fast.

Bookmark me ! Now !

It'll make your hair stand on end ! Really - guaranteed ! Click here
fast ! You're missing something fantastic ! Skin-deep beauty at it's
most !

[bawa]

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html
sex sex sex !!!

This is one page that one must absolutely bookmark if one bookmarks
just one page on the whole wide web.
It's constantly updated with fresh links.
It has the most seizing Tantric sexual sculptures and paintings on the
whole web, (as ) and the collection is growing fast.
Bookmark me ! Now !
It'll make your hair stand on end ! Really - guaranteed ! Click here
fast ! You're missing something fantastic ! Skin-deep beauty at it's
most !

HI. Anyone for things ? Geir Smith aka Gur ji Gombo.

[bawa]

Post by bawa

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html
sex sex sex !!!

This is one page that one must absolutely bookmark if one bookmarks
just one page on the whole wide web.
It's constantly updated with fresh links.
It has the most seizing Tantric sexual sculptures and paintings on

the

Post by bawa
whole web, (as ) and the collection is growing fast.
Bookmark me ! Now !
It'll make your hair stand on end ! Really - guaranteed ! Click here
fast ! You're missing something fantastic ! Skin-deep beauty at it's
most !

HI. Anyone for things ? Geir Smith aka Gur ji Gombo.

It ain't over unil it's over. I've got it coming out of the groups at
Yahoo ! having a link to my "bust cults" page that's got to be
redesigned because I've overloaded. It'll all be concentrated to be
less heavy to read and quicker to get to the pith of. I'm half way
through doing it over. See y'a.

[Czechoslovak Brodder]

Post by bawa

Post by bawa

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html
sex sex sex !!!

This is one page that one must absolutely bookmark if one bookmarks
just one page on the whole wide web.
It's constantly updated with fresh links.
It has the most seizing Tantric sexual sculptures and paintings on

the

Post by bawa
whole web, (as ) and the collection is growing fast.
Bookmark me ! Now !
It'll make your hair stand on end ! Really - guaranteed ! Click

here

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
fast ! You're missing something fantastic ! Skin-deep beauty at

it's

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
most !

HI. Anyone for things ? Geir Smith aka Gur ji Gombo.

It ain't over unil it's over. I've got it coming out of the groups at
Yahoo ! having a link to my "bust cults" page that's got to be
redesigned because I've overloaded. It'll all be concentrated to be
less heavy to read and quicker to get to the pith of. I'm half way
through doing it over. See y'a.

Put some foxes on it and me and my sibling (we are 2 wild and crrrrzay
guys) just may look at dot page.

p.s. why you no post to buddha.fat.guy group?

[bawa]

Post by Czechoslovak Brodder

Post by bawa

Post by bawa

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html
sex sex sex !!!

This is one page that one must absolutely bookmark if one

bookmarks

Post by Czechoslovak Brodder

Post by bawa

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
just one page on the whole wide web.
It's constantly updated with fresh links.
It has the most seizing Tantric sexual sculptures and paintings on

the

Post by bawa
whole web, (as ) and the collection is growing fast.
Bookmark me ! Now !
It'll make your hair stand on end ! Really - guaranteed ! Click

here

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
fast ! You're missing something fantastic ! Skin-deep beauty at

it's

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
most !

HI. Anyone for things ? Geir Smith aka Gur ji Gombo.

It ain't over unil it's over. I've got it coming out of the groups at
Yahoo ! having a link to my "bust cults" page that's got to be
redesigned because I've overloaded. It'll all be concentrated to be
less heavy to read and quicker to get to the pith of. I'm half way
through doing it over. See y'a.

Put some foxes on it and me and my sibling (we are 2 wild and

crrrrzay

Post by Czechoslovak Brodder
guys) just may look at dot page.
p.s. why you no post to buddha.fat.guy group?

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcultshtm.html

Yup ! It's been revampo ! Bom Bom ! Gonna be whampo this evening
(French time-zone) : another five - six hours !

[bawa]

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Post by Czechoslovak Brodder

Post by bawa

Post by bawa

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html
sex sex sex !!!

This is one page that one must absolutely bookmark if one

bookmarks

Post by Czechoslovak Brodder

Post by bawa

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
just one page on the whole wide web.
It's constantly updated with fresh links.
It has the most seizing Tantric sexual sculptures and

paintings

Post by bawa
on

Post by Czechoslovak Brodder

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
the

Post by bawa
whole web, (as ) and the collection is growing fast.
Bookmark me ! Now !
It'll make your hair stand on end ! Really - guaranteed ! Click

here

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
fast ! You're missing something fantastic ! Skin-deep beauty at

it's

Post by bawa

Post by bawa
most !

HI. Anyone for things ? Geir Smith aka Gur ji Gombo.

It ain't over unil it's over. I've got it coming out of the groups

at

Post by Czechoslovak Brodder

Post by bawa
Yahoo ! having a link to my "bust cults" page that's got to be
redesigned because I've overloaded. It'll all be concentrated to be
less heavy to read and quicker to get to the pith of. I'm half way
through doing it over. See y'a.

Put some foxes on it and me and my sibling (we are 2 wild and

crrrrzay

Post by Czechoslovak Brodder
guys) just may look at dot page.
p.s. why you no post to buddha.fat.guy group?

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcultshtm.html
Yup ! It's been revampo ! Bom Bom ! Gonna be whampo this evening
(French time-zone) : another five - six hours !

Well, that was five, six hours of a yelling match. French cretins
don't any else. Thes mass-murderors that enabled Hitler by caving in
without a fight are responsable through him of the world's history's
worst mass-wars and bloodshed. These guys are the most evil people this
earth has seen. This is the living deads' country.

Anyways back to our business ; I'm on-line now and you can go to the
site above and just watch it change while I add on new links galore !
It'll be in the next half hour from now. Watch it ! Yippeee ! Happy
that yelling-match is over. The French suck as far as being humans is
concerned. F minus is what they get on that. Hope they get the Olympics
: that fascist ceremony will bring it home that these are the guys that
made Hitler what he is today in History books. The French were Hitler's
sidekicks for the whole war and really regretted he didn't manage to
make it after all that killing. Sick is what they all are !

[bawa]

Hey Bev,

The shit is deep over here. Look at the stuff I'm wading in : I set up
AOL Easy Design ("Official page for Geir Smith etc...") and that went
swimmingly; so then I went on to make a lot of new pages every day.

Whammo ! I started overloading. So I thouhgt about your saying AOL
wouldn't do it right - and so I went off and got my domain at Geo
Cities. Well that's "Geo Shitties" for me. They don't have humans over
there. Just lists of questions no chimpanzee can answer.

They've completely skewed my whole issue.

Listen : what I want is the same as AOL Easy Design, but with more
width to not overload. What do I need all the rest of their shit ?

I've got a domain name now : it's geirsmith.org

What I want is that, for example, the night_vision page on that, be the
page that one gets to : rather than that whole "index" gimmick they
sent there.

I've completely given up on transferring my AOL Easy Design page over
to become my geirsmith.org page because their whole file system at Geo
is so opaque. Like f.ex. I uploaded the AOL Easy Design page (my
"Official page for Geir Smith ...") to the Geo C's file Manager page.
But then to "move" that to the geirsmith.org page, I never figured it
out : and Geo C doesn't have any human answering anywhere. And their
questions on the lists of questions never square with what I need, or
else they send off into technical stuff that any chimpanzee would not
answer to even if they put the question to him straight in the face.

So my AOL Easy Design has become like the Andy Warhol stuff that
reproduces under all styles by repeating itself. I don't know why two
exemplaries of trials I made turned up at that Geo C page back there.
But now I'm really in deep s..t. Well, the AOL Easy Design is still up
(knock on wood). So, at least I have something to show for this whole
mess. At the end of the day, the bottom line is : I've just clamped
down on half the AOL pages I had made to let off some steam and get
back some width that was overloaded. People are still looking at the
AOL page and I've really not been able to deliver on the Geo C's front
with a real replacement for it.

I wanted to make a page (at AOL Easy Design - my "Official page for
Geir Smith etc...") that would say "This page has been transferred and
will automatically send you there in five seconds." I'd have put that
on the AOL page so that people checking out that adress would still be
redirected to the Geo Cities one. I have the adress of the AOL page on
my Yahoo !discussion group so if I want to make that work in
conjunction with AOL but then redirect people pack and forth on the
latter and they go from it to Geo Cities. That was my plan.

But Geo Cities ? Sheesh ! Tell me about it. All I've been able to do is
those start-up pages (at geirsmith.org) on which I've copied the text
from the AOl page : but they're sure far from being on my domain name.
As for the above-mentioned ambition of transferring "as is", the AOl
page over to Geo Cities, instead of copying to a new page, well that's
just a pipe-dream so far. There's Henry who could know about clicking
on Geo Ciities because he's been on Geo Cities for ages with his site.
He hasn't been talking to me for ages now but maybe so, seeing it's
been a few years ago now and I'm in need of help. What about he telling
me - or you - who knows ? - about what button to push and what page to
use for wherewithall ? Huh ?

[Bev Thornton]

Post by bawa
I've got a domain name now : it's geirsmith.org
What I want is that, for example, the night_vision page on that, be the
page that one gets to : rather than that whole "index" gimmick they
sent there.

You have to login to the File Manager and change the name of
night_vision.html to index.html

Whichever file is called index.html is the default one the server will
send.

Instructions:

#v+

Where is my main page?

When you signed up for your web site, we created a placeholder page. To
replace it with one of your own, you need to create or rename a file as
"index.html." By default, the first page accessed when your web site is
visited is the "index.html" file.

If you have already created a home page, you need to rename that page
"index.html." You may need to delete the default "index.html" file first
before attempting to rename your new file, as you may not be able to
overwrite an existing file simply by renaming another file using the same
name.

To rename your file, do the following:

1. Log into your File Manager.
2. Check the box next to the file you want to rename.
3. Click the "Rename" button in the toolbar.
4. Enter the new name and click the "Rename Files" button.
5. View your web page by clicking its name in File Manager.

Note: File names are case sensitive, so "index.html" is not the same as
"Index.html" or "INDEX.HTML." Also, the file extension ".htm" is not the
same as ".html," so you will need to name your index page with an ".html"
extension.

#v-

Post by bawa
I've completely given up on transferring my AOL Easy Design page over
to become my geirsmith.org page because their whole file system at Geo
is so opaque. Like f.ex. I uploaded the AOL Easy Design page (my
"Official page for Geir Smith ...") to the Geo C's file Manager page.
But then to "move" that to the geirsmith.org page, I never figured it
out : and Geo C doesn't have any human answering anywhere. And their
questions on the lists of questions never square with what I need, or
else they send off into technical stuff that any chimpanzee would not
answer to even if they put the question to him straight in the face.

Geeks speak funny. In their digital world, 'move' and 'rename' are the
same.

Post by bawa
So my AOL Easy Design has become like the Andy Warhol stuff that
reproduces under all styles by repeating itself.

hahaha, yeah, that has to do with the size of the background image. Ditch
it. The blue text on blue graphic is kind of hard to read, too.

Post by bawa
I wanted to make a page (at AOL Easy Design - my "Official page for
Geir Smith etc...") that would say "This page has been transferred and
will automatically send you there in five seconds." I'd have put that
on the AOL page so that people checking out that adress would still be
redirected to the Geo Cities one. I have the adress of the AOL page on
my Yahoo !discussion group so if I want to make that work in
conjunction with AOL but then redirect people pack and forth on the
latter and they go from it to Geo Cities. That was my plan.

I don't know if you can put header redirects in AOL pages. The header
would be:

<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="5;url=http://geirsmith.org/">

See if there is a setting for adding META tags.

Post by bawa
But Geo Cities ? Sheesh ! Tell me about it. All I've been able to do is
those start-up pages (at geirsmith.org) on which I've copied the text
from the AOl page : but they're sure far from being on my domain name.

It works, I just tried it. You only have to rename night_vision.html to
index.html and it will be the default page. You can also leave it there as
night_vision.html and copy it to index.html, then you have a record in the
directory.

Post by bawa
As for the above-mentioned ambition of transferring "as is", the AOl
page over to Geo Cities, instead of copying to a new page, well that's
just a pipe-dream so far. There's Henry who could know about clicking
on Geo Ciities because he's been on Geo Cities for ages with his site.
He hasn't been talking to me for ages now but maybe so, seeing it's
been a few years ago now and I'm in need of help. What about he telling
me - or you - who knows ? - about what button to push and what page to
use for wherewithall ? Huh ?

I never use the things, just edit files locally, then upload.

What is that AOL address again? I will look at the code on it and see what
you can do to make it easiest to transfer everything.

[bawa]

Hiya,

Thanks a lot, I got it working at http://geirsmith.org/index.html
That's great. Now I'll try to get the rest of the page working slowly.
Anyways it's great to have the adress actually opening up right. I was
putting things a the wrong place and backing up on the system from
there.

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
I've got a domain name now : it's geirsmith.org
What I want is that, for example, the night_vision page on that, be the
page that one gets to : rather than that whole "index" gimmick they
sent there.

You have to login to the File Manager and change the name of
night_vision.html to index.html
Whichever file is called index.html is the default one the server will
send.
snipped >
I don't know if you can put header redirects in AOL pages. The header
<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="5;url=http://geirsmith.org/">
See if there is a setting for adding META tags.

Yup, See that in a second.

Today or tomorrow. It's a breeze now : the page's working ! I better
get serious about this and do something right.

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
But Geo Cities ? Sheesh ! Tell me about it. All I've been able to do is
those start-up pages (at geirsmith.org) on which I've copied the text
from the AOl page : but they're sure far from being on my domain name.

snipped >
What is that AOL address again? I will look at the code on it and see what
you can do to make it easiest to transfer everything.

The AOL page you mean, is my page ? That's here :
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcultshtm.html but the page
builder page is
http://publier.pageperso.aol.fr/_cqr/_edreg/startApplet.adp?cn=kalachakrapa&fn=Geirsbiohtml.html
It's all at AOL's main site/personal sites :
http://pageperso.aol.fr/_dyn/

I'm going to ditch the main pages over there (at AOL) because they're
really heavy on the bandwidth and my laptop backs up all the time...
overloading. I hope Geo Cities give a lot of bandwidth because I've
planned on a hundred-page biography down the line, with a Foreword and
Intro already in the dozen pages. That was the main incentive to open
the page actually, because AOL didn't jell at all with ùany pages, and
we were freezing up on screen all the time. When I took a couple of
pages down, it all went well again. Now with Geo Cities, it's freezing
up a little again, on and off, so I'm starting taking down some more
pages that are still around, to make space.

I was thinking maybe I'd leave my page there, seeing people are still
going there - and I could put geirsmith.org at the page's top and say
next to it, that it's been redirected. People, can follow through if
they want to. That way people from my Yahoo!discussion group can just
get used to that slowly. If it's possible to redirect it, that would be
the best though, so people really *are* redirected. I don't know about
doing that, but I'll try to check it out. Maybe you can see what they
say by browsing that reference. Sorry,as it's all in French, (the
Frenchies learnt enough German in WW II to carry out most murders in
the world-history during the last three wars !!!) but it's probably the
same systems in all countries. Anyways, that really saved me on that
intro part of setting up my page Bev (renaming index.html). Thanks. I'd
kind of gotten mad at the machine and was raging against the machine
(like some people do when they call their rock-groups the same name as
that.). Of course this is the "Pro" section of Geo Citites, so they
think people are all part-geek or have all kinds of geeks in their
offices - or whatever. But then again it was to get the domain name
that I chose that rather than the non-pro sites (that would have
avoided the adds but) not given as much services as this one. I'll just
wade my way through it now that at least it's up and working.

Post by Bev Thornton
--

<http://www.unrwa.org/>

Post by Bev Thornton
Things are not as they appear to be nor are they otherwise.

[Bev Thornton]

Post by bawa
Thanks a lot, I got it working at http://geirsmith.org/index.html
That's great. Now I'll try to get the rest of the page working slowly.
Anyways it's great to have the adress actually opening up right. I was
putting things a the wrong place and backing up on the system from
there.

Okay. The code is kind of screwy though, it's been generated by a program
that didn't do a very good job.

Post by bawa
Today or tomorrow. It's a breeze now : the page's working ! I better
get serious about this and do something right.

Just do the best you can. Stay focused on the teachings and practice.

Post by bawa
I'm going to ditch the main pages over there (at AOL) because they're
really heavy on the bandwidth and my laptop backs up all the time...
overloading. I hope Geo Cities give a lot of bandwidth because I've
planned on a hundred-page biography down the line, with a Foreword and
Intro already in the dozen pages. That was the main incentive to open
the page actually, because AOL didn't jell at all with ùany pages, and
we were freezing up on screen all the time. When I took a couple of
pages down, it all went well again. Now with Geo Cities, it's freezing
up a little again, on and off, so I'm starting taking down some more
pages that are still around, to make space.

No, that is not what the problem is. I know it seem like that is the
problem, but the problem is actually that your webpages are accessing
clipart from server-wide shared folders and doing multiple resizings on
one of them. There is an unnecessary table only 1 pixel high at the top of
your pages, in the mark-up code.

The code for the pages just needs to be cleaned-up. It is best if you do
that as soon as possible and then create an empty template page of your
own that you can just clip and paste the content into for creating new
pages and then upload those pages from your laptop to your webserver
directory.

If you had all the necessary graphics in your own directory it would serve
smoother, too. At any one moment, there are hundreds, maybe thousands, of
people accessing those server shared graphics. They're cached, but calls
are cued, and that makes slowdowns to the client programs, the web
browsers.

Post by bawa
I was thinking maybe I'd leave my page there, seeing people are still
going there - and I could put geirsmith.org at the page's top and say
next to it, that it's been redirected.

Good idea.

Post by bawa
they want to. That way people from my Yahoo!discussion group can just
get used to that slowly. If it's possible to redirect it, that would be
the best though, so people really *are* redirected.

Yes, it's easy, but maybe not with the page generator program that you are
using.

HTML-Kit by http://www.chami.com/ is nice, but it takes some learning.

If you want, and if the monitor here holds up, I could make the templates
for you. Then you could duplicate the templates, add the content to the
copies on your laptop and upload them to the server as they are finished.
You would only need to learn a few html tags, a half-dozen or so. All I
would need is an idea of what you want the pages to look like. I just
tried looking at the bio link on AOL, but the server couldn't find the
page.

[bawa]

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
Thanks a lot, I got it working at http://geirsmith.org/index.html
That's great. Now I'll try to get the rest of the page working slowly.
Anyways it's great to have the adress actually opening up right. I was
putting things a the wrong place and backing up on the system from
there.

Okay. The code is kind of screwy though, it's been generated by a program
that didn't do a very good job.

Do you mean the PageWizards thing at Geo Cities is not a good program
? Is PageBuilder better ? That's got the empty page-templates you talk
about. I could repaste the page into one of those.

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
Today or tomorrow. It's a breeze now : the page's working ! I better
get serious about this and do something right.

Just do the best you can. Stay focused on the teachings and practice.

Post by bawa
I'm going to ditch the main pages over there (at AOL) because they're
really heavy on the bandwidth and my laptop backs up all the

time...

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
overloading. I hope Geo Cities give a lot of bandwidth because I've
planned on a hundred-page biography down the line, with a Foreword and
Intro already in the dozen pages. That was the main incentive to open
the page actually, because AOL didn't jell at all with ùany pages, and
we were freezing up on screen all the time. When I took a couple of
pages down, it all went well again. Now with Geo Cities, it's freezing
up a little again, on and off, so I'm starting taking down some more
pages that are still around, to make space.

No, that is not what the problem is. I know it seem like that is the
problem, but the problem is actually that your webpages are accessing
clipart from server-wide shared folders and doing multiple resizings on
one of them. There is an unnecessary table only 1 pixel high at the top of
your pages, in the mark-up code.
The code for the pages just needs to be cleaned-up. It is best if you do
that as soon as possible and then create an empty template page of your
own that you can just clip and paste the content into for creating new
pages and then upload those pages from your laptop to your webserver
directory.
If you had all the necessary graphics in your own directory it would serve
smoother, too. At any one moment, there are hundreds, maybe

thousands, of

Post by Bev Thornton
people accessing those server shared graphics. They're cached, but calls
are cued, and that makes slowdowns to the client programs, the web
browsers.

Post by bawa
I was thinking maybe I'd leave my page there, seeing people are still
going there - and I could put geirsmith.org at the page's top and say
next to it, that it's been redirected.

Good idea.

Post by bawa
they want to. That way people from my Yahoo!discussion group can just
get used to that slowly. If it's possible to redirect it, that would be
the best though, so people really *are* redirected.

Yes, it's easy, but maybe not with the page generator program that you are
using.
HTML-Kit by http://www.chami.com/ is nice, but it takes some

learning.

Post by Bev Thornton
If you want, and if the monitor here holds up, I could make the templates
for you. Then you could duplicate the templates, add the content to the
copies on your laptop and upload them to the server as they are finished.
You would only need to learn a few html tags, a half-dozen or so. All I
would need is an idea of what you want the pages to look like. I just
tried looking at the bio link on AOL, but the server couldn't find the
page.

I've been trying to make a blank page template so as to give you an
idea about what the pages would look like but that's not been very easy
because I don't know how these pages work (I had that all down
perfectly at Aol, unfortunately, sob !) so basically, I have my forword
ready and can just apste it here for srying out loud : the page idea is
just that in any case. Why the hallybaloo, when one just needs a
slingshot and stone to go hunting ? I'll post that next right here,
just stay tuned here ::::::Geir. P..S. I'll just paste in to the extent
that the format enables.

Post by Bev Thornton
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Post by Bev Thornton
The donor does not go without reward.

[Bev Thornton]

Post by bawa
Do you mean the PageWizards thing at Geo Cities is not a good program
? Is PageBuilder better ? That's got the empty page-templates you talk
about. I could repaste the page into one of those.

Well, none of those a really much good. Just use whatever works, get the
content in and up whatever way you can, and then it can be made all slick
afterwards.

Post by bawa
I've been trying to make a blank page template so as to give you an
idea about what the pages would look like but that's not been very easy
because I don't know how these pages work (I had that all down
perfectly at Aol, unfortunately, sob !) so basically, I have my forword
ready and can just apste it here for srying out loud : the page idea is
just that in any case. Why the hallybaloo, when one just needs a
slingshot and stone to go hunting ? I'll post that next right here,
just stay tuned here ::::::Geir. P..S. I'll just paste in to the extent
that the format enables.

Okay, I got the content saved fron the newsgroup. Stick it up on the
web-site and then put a link here to it and we'll get it all nice and
clean in the end. Everything will go well.

Just out of curiosity, is there a distinctive, major icon of your
school?

[bawa]

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
Do you mean the PageWizards thing at Geo Cities is not a good program
? Is PageBuilder better ? That's got the empty page-templates you talk
about. I could repaste the page into one of those.

Well, none of those a really much good. Just use whatever works, get the
content in and up whatever way you can, and then it can be made all slick
afterwards.

Post by bawa
I've been trying to make a blank page template so as to give you an
idea about what the pages would look like but that's not been very easy
because I don't know how these pages work (I had that all down
perfectly at Aol, unfortunately, sob !) so basically, I have my forword
ready and can just apste it here for srying out loud : the page idea is
just that in any case. Why the hallybaloo, when one just needs a
slingshot and stone to go hunting ? I'll post that next right here,
just stay tuned here ::::::Geir. P..S. I'll just paste in to the extent
that the format enables.

Okay, I got the content saved fron the newsgroup. Stick it up on the
web-site and then put a link here to it and we'll get it all nice and
clean in the end. Everything will go well.
Just out of curiosity, is there a distinctive, major icon of your
school?

Do you mean personality-cult like the Pope or the Dalaï-Lama ? Bwa bwa
bwa ! Just joking of course, you know me ! Good old joker; all the time
at it. Y'know !

The Ngorpas worship Gepa Dorje, (Kedor), Mahakala (Gompo Gur), Mahakala
(Gompo Tramze), many others too; the Ngorpa are the erudites of
Tantrism. When yo personnally set up in Taipei where I find a house for
you in the hills to avoid the sweltering heat in smmers and stay for a
year so as to get the whole basket of empoerments of the Gyu De Kun
Tus, you, Bev Thornton, will be receiving the most Tantric empowerments
available in one collection on the face of Earth and all this thianks
to the Ngorpas that gathered them in the person of Jamyang Khentze and
passed them down to the school heads in the person of my guru's guru,
Tampa Rinpoche, (Shenpen Nyingpo). You will be ther happy recipeint of
hundreds of empowerments of deities from morning to night during a
year. Then, dear sir, your's will be the choice to retreat to retreat
and not be heard of for the next half a or dozen years so that you can
a become a fully enlightened Buddha, and b. pass on the various
empowements that you have completed the retreats on and have recited
the necessary ammount of mantras of and obtained the signs of
realization of....That will all be thanks to the Ngorpa school and you
will thus have obtained the ongs of hundreds of deitites, actaully,
*all* the deities of all the schools of Tantric Buddhism without any
exception. As for the Ngorpas themselves, as I say they're the erudites
of Tantrism par excellence (all the Geliugpa lineages go to the Ngorpas
and you can just see all the lineage tangkas that have red hats at the
tops one and all.) adn they bestow all the empowerments on demand. As
for themselves, they practise many many different deities and not a few
as other schools. Ngorpa lamas practice all the deities : Korlo
Demchok, Tamdrim, (Hayagriva), Dorje Pagmo, etc...They practise all the
deities of the Tibetan pantheon.

Ngorpas are specialists of Tantrism. It is therefore a very secret
school and difficult to enter, a bit like getting into Yale. Tantrism
is such a specialized thing that people are very wary, in Tibet, about
entering the abode of the Tantric sages at Sakya (the main temple that
Ngor comes under, even if Ngor is 80% of the school proper). In Tibet,
few were the people that enjoyed the privilege of approaching, or even
so much as seeing the head lamas of Ngor. They were like the Pope,
enshrounded in a thick entourage of protecting monks, that no one could
bypass to see the Grand Lama. Being Tantric masters with all the powers
of Tantric realization in their hands, either the one lama or the
other, (the four Houses of Lamas totalling on average four each, there
were always about a dozen or more high lamas either presiding or in
waiting in the wings at Ngor) had a phenomenal level of power and
realization and/or enlightenment, so that people entered Ngor as if
they were entering a radiated zone where their good or bad karma were
(in their minds) sure to bake them alive by the time they managed to
get out. (I'm not saying that the lamas were realized but that at least
one of all the laams, at any given time at Ngor, was a highly realized
master and for periods at a time, a fully realized Buddha presided or
resided there, throughout history. And that was enough to totally freak
out the whole people of Tibet. Adressing a totally realized Buddha was
not a good karma to them, unless you were ready to commit a very grave
enfringement of ethics by making some impure deed move, thought,or
speech.)- Ngor was place your average little Tibetan would rather die
than be caught in. To a Tibetan, meeting a realized lama is like going
to a cancer doctor : better avoid it and not even come near them.
They're bad news; and going to them is the sign you're in deep, deep
trouble already. For Tibetans, the lamas of Tantric power like the
Ngorpas, were people who would say straight off what your karma was,
and could just drop you dead with a glance if your karma is bad. That's
what Tantrism and the power of the spirit was in Tibet and what Tantric
sages with years upon years of retreat and high realization were in
Tibet and still are today, in the survival of them abroad. In Tibet,
one didin't enter the Ngorpa school, one wa born into it either by
family, region and affinities, or else by being born into a dynastic
kind of thing that was attached to the various houses, collegial
groups, links from previous memebers of the monkhood etc....It didn't
work like the bog Lhassatemples that drew on peple from all over that
wanted to profit of the great financial bonanza of the big
institutions. Ngor was like Yale or the Ivy League where you went to a
place where you were expected and had been arranged for in a
personnalized way, and followed a designated teacher, that was there
for you especially. Being the second school of Tibet it catered to
vast numbers but they were all given particualar attention and not the
herd treatment that the first school of Tibet got which was like mass
education with throngs of monks in the tens of thousands tha would act
like a mob in most cases. The maximum for Ngor would be the giving of
the Lam Dre every year wehn five thousand monks came there and were
ordinated as well at that occasion. Then it would empty out at year's
end just to remain with five hundred, all the others going home again,
mostly to Kham and Gawa, where Phende Kenchen is from. Gawa was ajust
about 100% Ngorpa. Derge too, had a lot of them. Now only Mustang in
Nepal has a strong Ngor contingent with only Ngorpas in the kingdom.
It is one gorpa stronghold that no other school has. It's still like
Tibet and is cut off from the world without road or anything. It's a
stragne thing and announced by the visits there thrice of our founder
Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo, and prophecied by hi: for the future. We are in
the future now and my being recognized as Ngorpa by Phende Kenchen and
being the only one in the West is not foreign to the prophecy because
it is prophecied that all of Tibetan Buddhism will be destroyed (as per
the Kalachakra Tantra) so that the Ngorpa tradition being perpetuated
by someone who is not Tibetan, and being done so by a recognition from
a high lama such as Phende Kenchen, is maybe not remarkable, (as I am
not a remarkable one and a blustering non-remarkable at that !) but is
to be noted by it's being unique as no high lama in the world or in
our Ngor school (the descendants of Ngorchen thus...) have thus
exported their lineage to non-Tibetans and I stand alone in this case.
Thus, if the prophecy is to happen it can only happen in me, surviving
the destruction of it's present form - after it's prophecied
destruction,- or else it won't happen at all and all will be engulfed
into nothing as predicted in the Kalachakra. Or else, someone else will
be recognized at a high level such as me - in the West - and will
realize the prophecy. When I look at the people who are now in the
Buddhist world and that are prominent in the international Sangha, I
get a funny feeling about "where they come from" and what their
relation is to the Tibetan hierarchy because they are as often as not
outsiders in Buddhism and are not endorsed or supported in any way by a
teacher who would be their sponsor in the Dharma as all Tibetan
religious do. Further one can see that none of them are endorsed or
sponsored by the high lamas of Tibetan Buddhism who choose their
faithful candidates among racailly similar people to themselves. This
is a "racial Buddhism" that can only be condemned in the long term
because it goes against not only Buddhist thought and the march of
progress and/or tolerance but also it follows Tibtean tradition or
soemthing remsebling it but goes completley against the very teachings
of Buddha that crossed the line of such thinking repeatedly, by
teaching to one and all over such distinctions of race, caste, origin
etc...I feel funny for the Westerners but the fault lies not with them
but with not fidning the right lama who has the right thinking and is
in accord with the Buddha's teaching. Most Tibetan lamas (in India) are
scared conservatives, and remain within the dictates of the society
that preach to reamin closed in a ghetto and not innovetate or go out
to see what's going on outside. Thye high lamas rarley live abroad and
only small representatives and lamas of no rank in Tibet escape and set
up shop abroad. Rarely dooes one see the lamas in place taking up
residence abroad. I know of no head of sect living abroad. They all
have their main seat in India. Phende Kenchen gave up on India and
left. The Ngorpas went to Taiwan to see him; the other lama of
practically comparable status to him pleaded - by offering him the land
for free !!! - to please come and establish his "House" at his
monastery, so as to make it a real, legitimate Ngor
(main???!!!!-)temple. More or less forced, he did so. (Not much trafic
over there now, a few years later, eh ! So ? Duh ! A lot of cows, eh !
Sacred Hindu cows; 'must be.)Otherwise, India ? No way ! Apart from
him, no head-lamas abroad. So, finding an open lama of real
international stature and the strong free mind-set that goes with it,
and the independant, intellectually swaggering of an Einstein or Von
Braun genius, out to shoot for the stars, well you'll only get one in a
generation... and I've seen that Westerners in Tibetan Buddhism have
sure got a beating and a run-around for their money, with those gangs
out in India. I mean, Bev, you may have gone out to India - like me for
years - and you've probably, - like me - gone to think that really,
it's a wonder that I went to all the trouble of putting up with crazies
like that for years without opening my eyes to the reality of human
decency before. I met Richard Gere once in Dharmasala, where he was in
the same cafe as me and my wife, and he was watching people, and people
would kind of float up to him and chat, and he'd talk to them, and look
over their shoulders at the crowd to see what people were up to. Then
he'd walk down the mountain to his bungalow, with a group of chicks
hanging on, who obviously just couldn't realize their luck. This
multi-millionnaire walking down a monsoon-ravaged road with these
hippy-crazies,, amidst the Himalayas and eating in this disgusting
Tibetan dump, well it was really funny. But the whole scene is like
that and it gets worse the further you leave Dharamsala. Go to South
India and see what you feel like after five hours taxi. Not to mention
the twenty four hours of train ! Ha ha ha ! But what compounds the
whole thing in fine is that after all those years, you'd accept it if
you'd been working up to something, but you then realize that for all
those are being excluded from the racial equation is the thing that
doesn't jell and will mark Tibetan Buddhism's end. Mark my word : no
one has been recognized at a high level, just like dozens of high
ranking reincarnations are being recognized in India at present, but
none are Westerners.

And That end of Tibetan Buddhism killed by it's communalism, in it's
exile, the Kalachakra will be there to seal it; as predicted. No one
has been recognized by the high hierarchy such as Phende Kenchen's, and
such as my recognition. (I hope you don't think my Forword and this bit
here, is ranting; but I'm standing on the smoking ruins of Tibetan
Buddhism and crowing this here truth for the world to hear and indeed,
*am* at times like a pork-barrel preacher talking to the man on the
street, but I'm also a bit like St Simon of the Desert [great Luis
Bunuel film that !]standing on a pillar of stone in the middle of the
desert and people coming to feed me so I can keep on living in
seclusion - with and - above people gathering around, by day, alone by
night, just me and the stars ! I love the stars, Bev. Ask Pema, she's
my star on the star-spangled banner of the sky, that I'm watching
here.) A propos, we Ngorpas also practise the Kalachakra. The lama has
it beside his throne, and with Tantric lamas like the Ngorpas,- who are
the holders of all of Tantrism - the symbols of the temple paintings in
their life patterns and karmic set-ups, are more than just chance, but
are the signs of destiny. So, this painting beside his throne is the
sign of the prophecy. Other lamas have this wish only, but none hold
all of the Tantric empowerments as he does, because he is the last to
hold it, (the collection) and when he is dead, there will be no more.
We must obtain them quickly, now.

Gepa Dorje and all the rest, they're all practised in the Ngorpa
school. Does that answer your question ?

Did I digress or what ? Sorry, I just woke up I fell asleep half way
through my post .... Ev woke me up, drivelling on my baby's napkin
there !

Post by Bev Thornton
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Post by Bev Thornton
Friendship, the only cure for hatred, the only guarantee of peace.

[Bev Thornton]

Post by bawa
Do you mean personality-cult like the Pope or the Dalaï-Lama ? Bwa bwa
bwa ! Just joking of course, you know me ! Good old joker; all the time
at it. Y'know !

No, something like the 16th Karmapa's dream flag, the Victorious Flag of
Buddha's Wisdom.

Post by bawa
The Ngorpas worship Gepa Dorje, (Kedor), Mahakala (Gompo Gur), Mahakala
(Gompo Tramze), many others too; the Ngorpa are the erudites of
Tantrism.

Erudites? Then maybe a pecha?

Post by bawa
When yo personnally set up in Taipei where I find a house for
you in the hills to avoid the sweltering heat in smmers and stay for a
year so as to get the whole basket of empoerments of the Gyu De Kun
Tus, you, Bev Thornton, will be receiving the most Tantric empowerments
available in one collection on the face of Earth and all this thianks
to the Ngorpas that gathered them in the person of Jamyang Khentze and
passed them down to the school heads in the person of my guru's guru,
Tampa Rinpoche, (Shenpen Nyingpo).

That would be nice and very beneficial, but I don't know if it could
happen. Don't worry about it. Just having teachings happen is all that is
important.

Post by bawa
You will be ther happy recipeint of hundreds of empowerments of deities
from morning to night during a year. Then, dear sir, your's will be the
choice to retreat to retreat and not be heard of for the next half a or
dozen years so that you can

Yes, that would be nice. But I've often wondered, how does it happen? The
only people I have met who have done these things either lived in Bhutan,
China, India, Mongolia, or Nepal, or had some kind of independent support
in order to manage the expenses. I've never even been able to scrape
together the funds for a ticket to Kathmandu and life has always otherwise
intervened. At this point though, I can see that it is all okay, just
fine, because of various opportunities that I have had anyway.

Who knows though? Maybe someday I will get lucky or gain a clue. haha

Post by bawa
a become a fully enlightened Buddha,

hahaha, yeah, but I've got a funny feeling I'm on the sixteen lifetimes
plan and just now only on the second. I don't know, but that's how it
seems to me.

Post by bawa
and b. pass on the various empowements that you have completed the
retreats on and have recited the necessary ammount of mantras of and
obtained the signs of realization of....That will all be thanks to the
Ngorpa school and you will thus have obtained the ongs of hundreds of
deitites, actaully, *all* the deities of all the schools of Tantric
Buddhism without any exception.

How does someone remember all that? 37 in 1 are too many for me, but maybe
someday. 722, I can't imagine, really, I can only try, pretend. How many
are all of them?

Post by bawa
As for the Ngorpas themselves, as I say they're the erudites of Tantrism
par excellence (all the Geliugpa lineages go to the Ngorpas and you can
just see all the lineage tangkas that have red hats at the tops one and
all.) adn they bestow all the empowerments on demand. As for themselves,
they practise many many different deities and not a few as other
schools. Ngorpa lamas practice all the deities : Korlo Demchok, Tamdrim,
(Hayagriva), Dorje Pagmo, etc...They practise all the deities of the
Tibetan pantheon.

They probably teach to people way beyond me. I haven't even been able to
make it to H.E. Jetsun Chimney Luding's teachings who lives only a few
miles from here, under two hours travel.

Post by bawa
Ngorpas are specialists of Tantrism. It is therefore a very secret
school and difficult to enter, a bit like getting into Yale.

There's something that always struck me kind of odd. I've never really
been interested in what is secret, I'm too busy wondering what is obvious.

Post by bawa
Tantrism is such a specialized thing that people are very wary, in
Tibet, about entering the abode of the Tantric sages at Sakya (the main
temple that Ngor comes under, even if Ngor is 80% of the school proper).

Why are they wary?

Post by bawa
In Tibet, few were the people that enjoyed the privilege of approaching,
or even so much as seeing the head lamas of Ngor. They were like the
Pope, enshrounded in a thick entourage of protecting monks, that no one
could bypass to see the Grand Lama.

To me, that seems appropriate. The sooner such monastic systems can be
spread around the globe, the better.

Post by bawa
Being Tantric masters with all the powers of Tantric realization in
their hands, either the one lama or the other, (the four Houses of Lamas
totalling on average four each, there were always about a dozen or more
high lamas either presiding or in waiting in the wings at Ngor) had a
phenomenal level of power and realization and/or enlightenment, so that
people entered Ngor as if they were entering a radiated zone where their
good or bad karma were (in their minds) sure to bake them alive by the
time they managed to get out.

Good thing they were brave enough to go! haha

Post by bawa
(I'm not saying that the lamas were realized but that at least
one of all the laams, at any given time at Ngor, was a highly realized
master and for periods at a time, a fully realized Buddha presided or
resided there, throughout history. And that was enough to totally freak
out the whole people of Tibet. Adressing a totally realized Buddha was
not a good karma to them, unless you were ready to commit a very grave
enfringement of ethics by making some impure deed move, thought,or
speech.)- Ngor was place your average little Tibetan would rather die
than be caught in.

They had a lot of superstition.

Post by bawa
better avoid it and not even come near them. They're bad news; and
going to them is the sign you're in deep, deep trouble already.

Yeah, maybe, sort of. I guess that's how it kind fo seems to me, too.

Post by bawa
For Tibetans, the lamas of Tantric power like the Ngorpas, were people
who would say straight off what your karma was, and could just drop you
dead with a glance if your karma is bad.

Oh, I could go for that.

Post by bawa
That's what Tantrism and the power of the spirit was in Tibet and what
Tantric sages with years upon years of retreat and high realization
were in Tibet and still are today, in the survival of them abroad.

I don't know any well enough to say and can not go by the reports of
others.

Post by bawa
In Tibet, one didin't enter the Ngorpa school, one wa born into it
either by family, region and affinities, or else by being born into a
dynastic kind of thing that was attached to the various houses,
collegial groups, links from previous memebers of the monkhood etc....It
didn't work like the bog Lhassatemples that drew on peple from all over
that wanted to profit of the great financial bonanza of the big
institutions. Ngor was like Yale or the Ivy League where you went to a
place where you were expected and had been arranged for in a
personnalized way, and followed a designated teacher, that was there for
you especially.

I can understand how that could be useful in isolated communities, but I
do not think it is wise to continue following the diaspora. The iron bird
flies.

Post by bawa
Being the second school of Tibet it catered to vast numbers but they
were all given particualar attention and not the herd treatment that the
first school of Tibet got which was like mass education with throngs of
monks in the tens of thousands tha would act like a mob in most cases.

Well, that is the way they do it. 84,000 teachings and all.

Post by bawa
The maximum for Ngor would be the giving of the Lam Dre every year wehn
five thousand monks came there and were ordinated as well at that
occasion. Then it would empty out at year's end just to remain with
five hundred, all the others going home again, mostly to Kham and Gawa,
where Phende Kenchen is from. Gawa was ajust about 100% Ngorpa. Derge
too, had a lot of them.

Does Lam Dre differ from Lam Rim and if so, how so?

Post by bawa
Now only Mustang in Nepal has a strong Ngor contingent with only
Ngorpas in the kingdom.

Ah, that's funny, I've wanted to go there from when I was a child and
first read about it in National Geographic. Lo. 1965. I was seven. I've
never really wanted to go anywhere else, like by just going on a picture
and a story. It's always been my trip of a lifetime dream. I'm probably
too old to ever make it there now, so maybe next time. haha

Post by bawa
It is one gorpa stronghold that no other school has. It's still like
Tibet and is cut off from the world without road or anything. It's a
stragne thing and announced by the visits there thrice of our founder
Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo, and prophecied by hi: for the future. We are in
the future now and my being recognized as Ngorpa by Phende Kenchen and
being the only one in the West is not foreign to the prophecy because
it is prophecied that all of Tibetan Buddhism will be destroyed (as per
the Kalachakra Tantra) so that the Ngorpa tradition being perpetuated
by someone who is not Tibetan, and being done so by a recognition from
a high lama such as Phende Kenchen, is maybe not remarkable, (as I am
not a remarkable one and a blustering non-remarkable at that !) but is
to be noted by it's being unique as no high lama in the world or in
our Ngor school (the descendants of Ngorchen thus...) have thus
exported their lineage to non-Tibetans and I stand alone in this case.

That is why there is no need to worry. There is just practice and working
in the action. So, you have an opportunity to help organize some
important teachings, that is what to put your energy into.

Post by bawa
Thus, if the prophecy is to happen it can only happen in me, surviving
the destruction of it's present form - after it's prophecied
destruction,- or else it won't happen at all and all will be engulfed
into nothing as predicted in the Kalachakra.

Slow down and breathe a little. There is a lot to happen yet. Right now,
just organise the teachings.

Post by bawa
Or else, someone else will be recognized at a high level such as me - in
the West - and will realize the prophecy.

Doesn't matter, nothing to worry about, there's just Dharma to spread.
Rudra Chakrin is a few generations in the future.

Post by bawa
When I look at the people who are now in the Buddhist world and that are
prominent in the international Sangha, I get a funny feeling about
"where they come from" and what their relation is to the Tibetan
hierarchy because they are as often as not outsiders in Buddhism and are
not endorsed or supported in any way by a teacher who would be their
sponsor in the Dharma as all Tibetan religious do.

Yes, well, carry on regardless. Nevermind the bullocks.

Post by bawa
Further one can see that none of them are endorsed or sponsored by the
high lamas of Tibetan Buddhism who choose their faithful candidates
among racailly similar people to themselves. This is a "racial Buddhism"
that can only be condemned in the long term because it goes against not
only Buddhist thought and the march of progress and/or tolerance but
also it follows Tibtean tradition or soemthing remsebling it but goes
completley against the very teachings of Buddha that crossed the line of
such thinking repeatedly, by teaching to one and all over such
distinctions of race, caste, origin etc...I feel funny for the
Westerners but the fault lies not with them but with not fidning the
right lama who has the right thinking and is in accord with the Buddha's
teaching.

There are a lot of bumps and potholes in the road, but the road goes on.
Lineages will expand between ethnic groups and in the future it will not
be a problem and there is nothing any one ethnic group or family can do
about it. The wheels will just turn and guide the vessels as they go.

Post by bawa
Most Tibetan lamas (in India) are scared conservatives, and remain
within the dictates of the society that preach to reamin closed in a
ghetto and not innovetate or go out to see what's going on outside. Thye
high lamas rarley live abroad and only small representatives and lamas
of no rank in Tibet escape and set up shop abroad. Rarely dooes one see
the lamas in place taking up residence abroad. I know of no head of sect
living abroad. They all have their main seat in India.

Yes, well, that is to be expected or accepted. It's not really a problem.

Post by bawa
Phende Kenchen gave up on India and left. The Ngorpas went to Taiwan to
see him; the other lama of practically comparable status to him pleaded
- by offering him the land for free !!! - to please come and establish
his "House" at his monastery, so as to make it a real, legitimate Ngor
(main???!!!!-)temple. More or less forced, he did so. (Not much trafic
over there now, a few years later, eh ! So ? Duh ! A lot of cows, eh !
Sacred Hindu cows; 'must be.)Otherwise, India ? No way ! Apart from him,
no head-lamas abroad. So, finding an open lama of real international
stature and the strong free mind-set that goes with it, and the
independant, intellectually swaggering of an Einstein or Von Braun
genius, out to shoot for the stars, well you'll only get one in a
generation...

Are you sure? I'm not sure. I've never done the math, though. Im not sure
that it matters.

Post by bawa
and I've seen that Westerners in Tibetan Buddhism have sure got a
beating and a run-around for their money, with those gangs out in India.

To me, it seems more like they are families, not gangs.

Post by bawa
I mean, Bev, you may have gone out to India - like me for years - and
you've probably, - like me - gone to think that really, it's a wonder
that I went to all the trouble of putting up with crazies like that for
years without opening my eyes to the reality of human decency before.

No, I never did that. I've never gone for teachings anywhere outside of
Canada and only ever really wanted to go to Nepal, to Mustang, actually.
I've always thought it looked to me like the place to be, that it appeared
attractive.

Buddhists never attracted me to Buddhism. Only Kalachakra and relics of
Arya Sangha did.

Post by bawa
I met Richard Gere once in Dharmasala, where he was in the same cafe as
me and my wife, and he was watching people, and people would kind of
float up to him and chat, and he'd talk to them, and look over their
shoulders at the crowd to see what people were up to. Then he'd walk
down the mountain to his bungalow, with a group of chicks hanging on,
who obviously just couldn't realize their luck. This multi-millionnaire
walking down a monsoon-ravaged road with these hippy-crazies,, amidst
the Himalayas and eating in this disgusting Tibetan dump, well it was
really funny.

haha, it got me laughing. So, it's still funny.

Post by bawa
But the whole scene is like that and it gets worse the further you leave
Dharamsala. Go to South India and see what you feel like after five
hours taxi. Not to mention the twenty four hours of train ! Ha ha ha !
But what compounds the whole thing in fine is that after all those
years, you'd accept it if you'd been working up to something, but you
then realize that for all those are being excluded from the racial
equation is the thing that doesn't jell and will mark Tibetan Buddhism's
end. Mark my word : no one has been recognized at a high level, just
like dozens of high ranking reincarnations are being recognized in India
at present, but none are Westerners.

So such are the conditions of rebirth.

<http://www.fpmt.org/teachers/osel/default.asp>

Myself, Western teachers I have to take with a grain of salt, or I have to
reflect a lot on what is happening regarding the conditions of the
teachings. With ethnic Rinpoches, ones raised into it, I have no problems,
teachings are much clearer for me, there is less obscuration in the
communication. so, at this time, I don't think there is a problem.
However, it really shouldn't continue many generations into the future or
at least that is how I understand what is supposed to occur. So, what does
follow the right path will be what expands across the globe, across
ethnicities, and what remains ethnic and closed will just collapse in
on itself eventually, inevitably.

Post by bawa
And That end of Tibetan Buddhism killed by it's communalism, in it's
exile, the Kalachakra will be there to seal it; as predicted.

Wealth and riches. Don't worry about it. 'Tibetan' Buddhism may be killed,
but Buddhism will survive. Organise those teachings.

Post by bawa
No one has been recognized by the high hierarchy such as Phende
Kenchen's, and such as my recognition.

Penor Rinpoche recognised at least a couple.
<http://www.tara.org/jetsunma.htm>
<http://palyul.org/docs/statement.html>

Post by bawa
(I hope you don't think my Forword and this bit here, is ranting; but
I'm standing on the smoking ruins of Tibetan Buddhism and crowing this
here truth for the world to hear and indeed, *am* at times like a
pork-barrel preacher talking to the man on the street, but I'm also a
bit like St Simon of the Desert [great Luis Bunuel film that !]standing
on a pillar of stone in the middle of the desert and people coming to
feed me so I can keep on living in seclusion - with and - above people
gathering around, by day, alone by night, just me and the stars ! I love
the stars, Bev. Ask Pema, she's my star on the star-spangled banner of
the sky, that I'm watching here.)

You probably could use an editor. A diplomatic one with a great measure of
kindness. Also, more people are likely to read smaller, bite-sized pages.

Post by bawa
A propos, we Ngorpas also practise the Kalachakra. The lama has
it beside his throne, and with Tantric lamas like the Ngorpas,- who are
the holders of all of Tantrism - the symbols of the temple paintings in
their life patterns and karmic set-ups, are more than just chance, but
are the signs of destiny. So, this painting beside his throne is the
sign of the prophecy. Other lamas have this wish only, but none hold
all of the Tantric empowerments as he does, because he is the last to
hold it, (the collection) and when he is dead, there will be no more.
We must obtain them quickly, now.

Yes, so, organise them up.

Post by bawa
Gepa Dorje and all the rest, they're all practised in the Ngorpa
school. Does that answer your question ?

Not really. A deity is inappropriate for a logo. The idea of Ngorpa being
erudite may work. Would a pecha be able to represent that? Or something
else? if so, what?

Post by bawa
Did I digress or what ? Sorry, I just woke up I fell asleep half way
through my post .... Ev woke me up, drivelling on my baby's napkin
there !

It's more interesting to read than the cross-posted fish pond.

[bawa]

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
Do you mean personality-cult like the Pope or the Dalaï-Lama ? Bwa bwa
bwa ! Just joking of course, you know me ! Good old joker; all the time
at it. Y'know !

No, something like the 16th Karmapa's dream flag, the Victorious Flag of
Buddha's Wisdom.

Post by bawa
The Ngorpas worship Gepa Dorje, (Kedor), Mahakala (Gompo Gur), Mahakala
(Gompo Tramze), many others too; the Ngorpa are the erudites of
Tantrism.

Erudites? Then maybe a pecha?

Post by bawa
When yo personnally set up in Taipei where I find a house for
you in the hills to avoid the sweltering heat in smmers and stay for a
year so as to get the whole basket of empoerments of the Gyu De Kun
Tus, you, Bev Thornton, will be receiving the most Tantric

empowerments

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
available in one collection on the face of Earth and all this thianks
to the Ngorpas that gathered them in the person of Jamyang Khentze and
passed them down to the school heads in the person of my guru's guru,
Tampa Rinpoche, (Shenpen Nyingpo).

That would be nice and very beneficial, but I don't know if it could
happen. Don't worry about it. Just having teachings happen is all that is
important.

Post by bawa
You will be ther happy recipeint of hundreds of empowerments of deities
from morning to night during a year. Then, dear sir, your's will be the
choice to retreat to retreat and not be heard of for the next half a or
dozen years so that you can

Yes, that would be nice. But I've often wondered, how does it happen? The
only people I have met who have done these things either lived in Bhutan,
China, India, Mongolia, or Nepal, or had some kind of independent support
in order to manage the expenses. I've never even been able to scrape
together the funds for a ticket to Kathmandu and life has always otherwise
intervened. At this point though, I can see that it is all okay, just
fine, because of various opportunities that I have had anyway.
Who knows though? Maybe someday I will get lucky or gain a clue. haha

Post by bawa
a become a fully enlightened Buddha,

hahaha, yeah, but I've got a funny feeling I'm on the sixteen

lifetimes

Post by Bev Thornton
plan and just now only on the second. I don't know, but that's how it
seems to me.

Post by bawa
and b. pass on the various empowements that you have completed the
retreats on and have recited the necessary ammount of mantras of and
obtained the signs of realization of....That will all be thanks to the
Ngorpa school and you will thus have obtained the ongs of hundreds of
deitites, actaully, *all* the deities of all the schools of Tantric
Buddhism without any exception.

How does someone remember all that? 37 in 1 are too many for me, but maybe
someday. 722, I can't imagine, really, I can only try, pretend. How many
are all of them?

Post by bawa
As for the Ngorpas themselves, as I say they're the erudites of Tantrism
par excellence (all the Geliugpa lineages go to the Ngorpas and you can
just see all the lineage tangkas that have red hats at the tops one and
all.) adn they bestow all the empowerments on demand. As for

themselves,

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
they practise many many different deities and not a few as other
schools. Ngorpa lamas practice all the deities : Korlo Demchok, Tamdrim,
(Hayagriva), Dorje Pagmo, etc...They practise all the deities of the
Tibetan pantheon.

They probably teach to people way beyond me. I haven't even been able to
make it to H.E. Jetsun Chimney Luding's teachings who lives only a few
miles from here, under two hours travel.

Post by bawa
Ngorpas are specialists of Tantrism. It is therefore a very secret
school and difficult to enter, a bit like getting into Yale.

There's something that always struck me kind of odd. I've never really
been interested in what is secret, I'm too busy wondering what is obvious.

Post by bawa
Tantrism is such a specialized thing that people are very wary, in
Tibet, about entering the abode of the Tantric sages at Sakya (the main
temple that Ngor comes under, even if Ngor is 80% of the school proper).

Why are they wary?

Post by bawa
In Tibet, few were the people that enjoyed the privilege of

approaching,

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
or even so much as seeing the head lamas of Ngor. They were like the
Pope, enshrounded in a thick entourage of protecting monks, that no one
could bypass to see the Grand Lama.

To me, that seems appropriate. The sooner such monastic systems can be
spread around the globe, the better.

Post by bawa
Being Tantric masters with all the powers of Tantric realization in
their hands, either the one lama or the other, (the four Houses of Lamas
totalling on average four each, there were always about a dozen or more
high lamas either presiding or in waiting in the wings at Ngor) had a
phenomenal level of power and realization and/or enlightenment, so that
people entered Ngor as if they were entering a radiated zone where their
good or bad karma were (in their minds) sure to bake them alive by the
time they managed to get out.

Good thing they were brave enough to go! haha

Post by bawa
(I'm not saying that the lamas were realized but that at least
one of all the laams, at any given time at Ngor, was a highly realized
master and for periods at a time, a fully realized Buddha presided or
resided there, throughout history. And that was enough to totally freak
out the whole people of Tibet. Adressing a totally realized Buddha was
not a good karma to them, unless you were ready to commit a very grave
enfringement of ethics by making some impure deed move, thought,or
speech.)- Ngor was place your average little Tibetan would rather die
than be caught in.

They had a lot of superstition.

Post by bawa
better avoid it and not even come near them. They're bad news; and
going to them is the sign you're in deep, deep trouble already.

Yeah, maybe, sort of. I guess that's how it kind fo seems to me, too.

Post by bawa
For Tibetans, the lamas of Tantric power like the Ngorpas, were people
who would say straight off what your karma was, and could just drop you
dead with a glance if your karma is bad.

Oh, I could go for that.

Post by bawa
That's what Tantrism and the power of the spirit was in Tibet and what
Tantric sages with years upon years of retreat and high

realization

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
were in Tibet and still are today, in the survival of them abroad.

I don't know any well enough to say and can not go by the reports of
others.

Post by bawa
In Tibet, one didin't enter the Ngorpa school, one wa born into it
either by family, region and affinities, or else by being born into a
dynastic kind of thing that was attached to the various houses,
collegial groups, links from previous memebers of the monkhood etc....It
didn't work like the bog Lhassatemples that drew on peple from all over
that wanted to profit of the great financial bonanza of the big
institutions. Ngor was like Yale or the Ivy League where you went to a
place where you were expected and had been arranged for in a
personnalized way, and followed a designated teacher, that was there for
you especially.

I can understand how that could be useful in isolated communities, but I
do not think it is wise to continue following the diaspora. The iron bird
flies.

Post by bawa
Being the second school of Tibet it catered to vast numbers but they
were all given particualar attention and not the herd treatment that the
first school of Tibet got which was like mass education with

throngs of

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
monks in the tens of thousands tha would act like a mob in most cases.

Well, that is the way they do it. 84,000 teachings and all.

Post by bawa
The maximum for Ngor would be the giving of the Lam Dre every year wehn
five thousand monks came there and were ordinated as well at that
occasion. Then it would empty out at year's end just to remain with
five hundred, all the others going home again, mostly to Kham and Gawa,
where Phende Kenchen is from. Gawa was ajust about 100% Ngorpa. Derge
too, had a lot of them.

Does Lam Dre differ from Lam Rim and if so, how so?

Post by bawa
Now only Mustang in Nepal has a strong Ngor contingent with only
Ngorpas in the kingdom.

Ah, that's funny, I've wanted to go there from when I was a child and
first read about it in National Geographic. Lo. 1965. I was seven. I've
never really wanted to go anywhere else, like by just going on a picture
and a story. It's always been my trip of a lifetime dream. I'm

probably

Post by Bev Thornton
too old to ever make it there now, so maybe next time. haha

Post by bawa
It is one gorpa stronghold that no other school has. It's still like
Tibet and is cut off from the world without road or anything. It's a
stragne thing and announced by the visits there thrice of our founder
Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo, and prophecied by hi: for the future. We are in
the future now and my being recognized as Ngorpa by Phende Kenchen and
being the only one in the West is not foreign to the prophecy because
it is prophecied that all of Tibetan Buddhism will be destroyed (as per
the Kalachakra Tantra) so that the Ngorpa tradition being

perpetuated

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
by someone who is not Tibetan, and being done so by a recognition from
a high lama such as Phende Kenchen, is maybe not remarkable, (as I am
not a remarkable one and a blustering non-remarkable at that !) but is
to be noted by it's being unique as no high lama in the world or in
our Ngor school (the descendants of Ngorchen thus...) have thus
exported their lineage to non-Tibetans and I stand alone in this case.

That is why there is no need to worry. There is just practice and working
in the action. So, you have an opportunity to help organize some
important teachings, that is what to put your energy into.

Post by bawa
Thus, if the prophecy is to happen it can only happen in me,

surviving

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
the destruction of it's present form - after it's prophecied
destruction,- or else it won't happen at all and all will be

engulfed

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
into nothing as predicted in the Kalachakra.

Slow down and breathe a little. There is a lot to happen yet. Right now,
just organise the teachings.

Post by bawa
Or else, someone else will be recognized at a high level such as me - in
the West - and will realize the prophecy.

Doesn't matter, nothing to worry about, there's just Dharma to

spread.

Post by Bev Thornton
Rudra Chakrin is a few generations in the future.

Post by bawa
When I look at the people who are now in the Buddhist world and that are
prominent in the international Sangha, I get a funny feeling about
"where they come from" and what their relation is to the Tibetan
hierarchy because they are as often as not outsiders in Buddhism and are
not endorsed or supported in any way by a teacher who would be their
sponsor in the Dharma as all Tibetan religious do.

Yes, well, carry on regardless. Nevermind the bullocks.

Post by bawa
Further one can see that none of them are endorsed or sponsored by the
high lamas of Tibetan Buddhism who choose their faithful candidates
among racailly similar people to themselves. This is a "racial Buddhism"
that can only be condemned in the long term because it goes against not
only Buddhist thought and the march of progress and/or tolerance but
also it follows Tibtean tradition or soemthing remsebling it but goes
completley against the very teachings of Buddha that crossed the line of
such thinking repeatedly, by teaching to one and all over such
distinctions of race, caste, origin etc...I feel funny for the
Westerners but the fault lies not with them but with not fidning the
right lama who has the right thinking and is in accord with the Buddha's
teaching.

There are a lot of bumps and potholes in the road, but the road goes on.
Lineages will expand between ethnic groups and in the future it will not
be a problem and there is nothing any one ethnic group or family can do
about it. The wheels will just turn and guide the vessels as they go.

Post by bawa
Most Tibetan lamas (in India) are scared conservatives, and remain
within the dictates of the society that preach to reamin closed in a
ghetto and not innovetate or go out to see what's going on outside. Thye
high lamas rarley live abroad and only small representatives and lamas
of no rank in Tibet escape and set up shop abroad. Rarely dooes one see
the lamas in place taking up residence abroad. I know of no head of sect
living abroad. They all have their main seat in India.

Yes, well, that is to be expected or accepted. It's not really a problem.

Post by bawa
Phende Kenchen gave up on India and left. The Ngorpas went to Taiwan to
see him; the other lama of practically comparable status to him pleaded
- by offering him the land for free !!! - to please come and

establish

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
his "House" at his monastery, so as to make it a real, legitimate Ngor
(main???!!!!-)temple. More or less forced, he did so. (Not much trafic
over there now, a few years later, eh ! So ? Duh ! A lot of cows, eh !
Sacred Hindu cows; 'must be.)Otherwise, India ? No way ! Apart from him,
no head-lamas abroad. So, finding an open lama of real

international

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
stature and the strong free mind-set that goes with it, and the
independant, intellectually swaggering of an Einstein or Von Braun
genius, out to shoot for the stars, well you'll only get one in a
generation...

Are you sure? I'm not sure. I've never done the math, though. Im not sure
that it matters.

Post by bawa
and I've seen that Westerners in Tibetan Buddhism have sure got a
beating and a run-around for their money, with those gangs out in India.

To me, it seems more like they are families, not gangs.

Post by bawa
I mean, Bev, you may have gone out to India - like me for years - and
you've probably, - like me - gone to think that really, it's a wonder
that I went to all the trouble of putting up with crazies like that for
years without opening my eyes to the reality of human decency before.

No, I never did that. I've never gone for teachings anywhere outside of
Canada and only ever really wanted to go to Nepal, to Mustang,

actually.

Post by Bev Thornton
I've always thought it looked to me like the place to be, that it appeared
attractive.
Buddhists never attracted me to Buddhism. Only Kalachakra and relics of
Arya Sangha did.

Post by bawa
I met Richard Gere once in Dharmasala, where he was in the same cafe as
me and my wife, and he was watching people, and people would kind of
float up to him and chat, and he'd talk to them, and look over their
shoulders at the crowd to see what people were up to. Then he'd walk
down the mountain to his bungalow, with a group of chicks hanging on,
who obviously just couldn't realize their luck. This

multi-millionnaire

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
walking down a monsoon-ravaged road with these hippy-crazies,, amidst
the Himalayas and eating in this disgusting Tibetan dump, well it was
really funny.

haha, it got me laughing. So, it's still funny.

Post by bawa
But the whole scene is like that and it gets worse the further you leave
Dharamsala. Go to South India and see what you feel like after five
hours taxi. Not to mention the twenty four hours of train ! Ha ha ha !
But what compounds the whole thing in fine is that after all those
years, you'd accept it if you'd been working up to something, but you
then realize that for all those are being excluded from the racial
equation is the thing that doesn't jell and will mark Tibetan Buddhism's
end. Mark my word : no one has been recognized at a high level, just
like dozens of high ranking reincarnations are being recognized in India
at present, but none are Westerners.

So such are the conditions of rebirth.
<http://www.fpmt.org/teachers/osel/default.asp>
Myself, Western teachers I have to take with a grain of salt, or I have to
reflect a lot on what is happening regarding the conditions of the
teachings. With ethnic Rinpoches, ones raised into it, I have no problems,
teachings are much clearer for me, there is less obscuration in the
communication. so, at this time, I don't think there is a problem.
However, it really shouldn't continue many generations into the future or
at least that is how I understand what is supposed to occur. So, what does
follow the right path will be what expands across the globe, across
ethnicities, and what remains ethnic and closed will just collapse in
on itself eventually, inevitably.

Post by bawa
And That end of Tibetan Buddhism killed by it's communalism, in it's
exile, the Kalachakra will be there to seal it; as predicted.

Wealth and riches. Don't worry about it. 'Tibetan' Buddhism may be killed,
but Buddhism will survive. Organise those teachings.

Post by bawa
No one has been recognized by the high hierarchy such as Phende
Kenchen's, and such as my recognition.

Penor Rinpoche recognised at least a couple.
<http://www.tara.org/jetsunma.htm>
<http://palyul.org/docs/statement.html>

Post by bawa
(I hope you don't think my Forword and this bit here, is ranting; but
I'm standing on the smoking ruins of Tibetan Buddhism and crowing this
here truth for the world to hear and indeed, *am* at times like a
pork-barrel preacher talking to the man on the street, but I'm also a
bit like St Simon of the Desert [great Luis Bunuel film that

!]standing

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
on a pillar of stone in the middle of the desert and people coming to
feed me so I can keep on living in seclusion - with and - above people
gathering around, by day, alone by night, just me and the stars ! I love
the stars, Bev. Ask Pema, she's my star on the star-spangled banner of
the sky, that I'm watching here.)

You probably could use an editor. A diplomatic one with a great measure of
kindness. Also, more people are likely to read smaller, bite-sized pages.

Post by bawa
A propos, we Ngorpas also practise the Kalachakra. The lama has
it beside his throne, and with Tantric lamas like the Ngorpas,- who are
the holders of all of Tantrism - the symbols of the temple

paintings in

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
their life patterns and karmic set-ups, are more than just chance, but
are the signs of destiny. So, this painting beside his throne is the
sign of the prophecy. Other lamas have this wish only, but none hold
all of the Tantric empowerments as he does, because he is the last to
hold it, (the collection) and when he is dead, there will be no more.
We must obtain them quickly, now.

Yes, so, organise them up.

Post by bawa
Gepa Dorje and all the rest, they're all practised in the Ngorpa
school. Does that answer your question ?

Not really. A deity is inappropriate for a logo. The idea of Ngorpa being
erudite may work. Would a pecha be able to represent that? Or

something

Post by Bev Thornton
else? if so, what?

Post by bawa
Did I digress or what ? Sorry, I just woke up I fell asleep half way
through my post .... Ev woke me up, drivelling on my baby's napkin
there !

It's more interesting to read than the cross-posted fish pond.
--

<http://www.ifaw.org/>

Post by Bev Thornton
A person winnows others' faults like chaff,
but hides one's own faults like a cheater hides bad dice.

Slightly OT here with this, but this blast from the past is timely : I
don't know if these guys have an impact on the Internet, but when
browsing E-Sangha just now, I saw that this thread has not been updated
with correct information. Either these two writers are ill-informed, or
else they don't know about this topic. But, in any case, I'm not ready
for being put on the cults' list at Henry's site... but he may. Is
Henry a cult unto himself ? He seems to be listening to women that
speak to him in Phende Kenchen's name, and this is not very
appropriate, as women were not at all allowed into his monastery of
Ngor. Is Henry more interested in women than in the Ngor tradition of
Buddhism ? He better choose, because representing the Ngorpas myself, I
have to separate the chaff from the wheat and clear up misconceptions
and idiocy now.

Anyways, the post below, from E-Sangha, is to be (must be) updated by
Henry because he's, himself, closed the board to me so incorrect
inforamtion of importance is there which shouldn't, and that is a
problem. First of all, it is wrong to say that Phende Kenchen has not
recognized me as a reincarnation because he has done it. So, if someone
wants explaining they should not go through third people as Henry, but
should get the inforamtion straight from the lama's mouth, because
there are people around him that are propagating faulty information
concerning this i.e. that I'm not a recognized reincarnation. Every
master will have ill-doing people spreading lies and that are jealous
of the legitimate authority that the master recognizes (me - and not
the jealous ones that slander, lie and undermine snidely). This is not
only not what Phende Kenchen said, but furthermore, it is slandering
the lama, because it is undermining his recognition-authority, and thus
also undermining the reincarnations that he has recognized earlier....
such as his three sons. The person that's spreading slander and lies
should be careful, because it's detrimental to them only, and
particulary self-defeating, as it thus concerns all the reincarnations
that were recognized by Phende Kenchen... such as his own sons. Far
from reaching it's goal, this evil deed is not in either his, theirs'
or anyone's interest. Plus, Phende Kenchen said I was recognized as a
reincarnation, so to get back to the post below : well, I don't speak
Latin, but by my dictionnary, that means I'm a tulku. Reincarnation and
tulku, to paraphrase Henry. Furthermore, to clarify this post, that
found a path all the way to the lama, the latter (the lama) added, in
speaking to me, that I was not recognized as a lama. So, it's clear :
"A reincarnation, but not a lama". So, "Read my lips, everybody". Is
there part or parcel of this that someone doesn't understand ? What it
that ? In fine, Phende Kenchen's word should now be followed and I've
hereby set the record as straight as the arrow flies.

(Hope Rickpa and Henry will set their clocks straight, and not be those
clocks that are right twice a day : like they are right now. I hope
they'll forthwith show full respect to Phende Kenchen by prostrating,
and making all necessary gestures of contrition and openness to him,
the head-lama of the second most influential school of Buddhism. If
they have no respect for the Buddha Dharma, at least they can have
respect for worldly power seeing they don't seem to have any respect
for non-worldly power, love or compassion, wisdom and realization. They
should show full respect for that lama's body, speech and mind and not
undermine the lama's decisions such as that of having recognized me. I
don't want prostrations or veneration; just that they get off my back,
and acknowledge the words of the lama, no more, no less ! I'm fed up
with all the hassle this has accrued over the last five years and
having to get down on my hands and knees in drudging through their
misconceptions, false ideas, wrong concepts, that they've all showered
me with since I've become a reincarnation and this latter has been
trouble to me all the way. (In French we say, "To live happily, live
secretly") Being an anonymous being was more restful. I was peaceful
and content before becoming a reincarnation. I wish people could just
forget me, and at least stop slandering me, because they slander the
lama by that : and *then* it becomes *my* problem. If they'd just
forget me, at least I could just forget this and turn over to go back
to sleep. And feel assured that the lama was in peace and not ready to
be slandered by every Tom, Jerry and Hank. Leaving these wrong things
on the web as in this post below, make me have to put the record
straight and leave my unmoving meditation of mental equipose...and I
hate leaving it. I'm not mongering for veneration here, I'm just
wanting people to get off my case, quit the bum rap - and I also want
to say that I'm getting my official reincarnation page going on the
web, so all will be able, shortly to get their answers as to the where,
what and how of my life and experiences, which maybe [I admit to it...]
I didn't do that good a job on, in those years back then, two years
ago, when the post below came out with Rickpa and Henry : Those guys
knew nothing of me... and had no idea where I was coming from and what
and why my angle was for - only Phende Kenchen knew me.... seeing I was
brought up by him as a secret, personal student [for thirty-four years
!], cut off from the rest of the world and oblivious to the environment
of Tibetan Buddhism,.... which environment I cultivated myself without
mixing into the world. Here's the post :)

http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=148

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QUOTE (Rickpa @ Sep 17 2003, 10:46 PM)
Thanks for the good info Henry!

So Geir Smith is still at it...eh? Sounds like his mission is unchanged
in the 3 years since I posted to the a.r.b.t. newsgroup.

I understand the Chinese totally left the Jonangpas alone when they
went on their Dharma smashing crusade. Of course the Chinese were doing
that in hopes of further demoralizing the ruling classes of Tibet, but
ironically this caused the preservation of texts, and transmissions of
all schools, which were kept safe in Jonang monastaries....all because
of the ban.

I have only of late begun my investigation of Shentong. I have read the
life, and teachings of Dolpopa in The Buddha Of Dolpo by Cyrus Stearns.
I find this understanding of emptiness is exactly the understanding I
arrived at without having been exposed to even the name Shentong.

I now have also read Progressive Stages of Meditation on Emptiness by
Khenpo Tsultrim Gyamtso Rinpoche for a Kagyu view of Shentong.

Comparing the Shentong views of Dolpopa, with that of the Khenpo, I
find I agree with Dolpopa's a bit more. It seems to have a different
flavor. I look forward to finding works of Taranatha, and seeing how
his views stack up.


most welcome...

and yes... Geir Smith has never changed abit. I received an email from
the Secretary for His Eminence Phende Rinpoche, she told me that Geir
Smith has never been recognized by anyone as a tulku or Rinpoche....
this Geir Smith is going too far nowadays!

have you read the root text "THE ESSENCE OF SHENTONG" by Jetsun
Taranatha? it is available in my site...

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/488...86/shentong.htm

[Bev Thornton]

Post by bawa
Slightly OT here with this, but this blast from the past is timely : I
don't know if these guys have an impact on the Internet, but when
browsing E-Sangha just now, I saw that this thread has not been updated
with correct information.

The only thing you can do is get a letter from H.E. Phende Rinpoche or
just ignore it.

Post by bawa
or anyone's interest. Plus, Phende Kenchen said I was recognized as a
reincarnation, so to get back to the post below : well, I don't speak
Latin, but by my dictionnary, that means I'm a tulku.

Only if recognized as such. Everybody is a rebirth, eh? Only those that
result of many past lives of much practice, completion, are tulkus,
incarnate lamas, precious ones.

Post by bawa
Furthermore, to clarify this post, that found a path all the way to the
lama, the latter (the lama) added, in speaking to me, that I was not
recognized as a lama. So, it's clear : "A reincarnation, but not a
lama". So, "Read my lips, everybody". Is there part or parcel of this
that someone doesn't understand ? What it that ? In fine, Phende
Kenchen's word should now be followed and I've hereby set the record as
straight as the arrow flies.

There is tulku and there is yangsi, maybe others too, find out which is
which and which you are recognised as and then get a letter of
confirmation. Scan it and stick it on the web as a graphic.

Post by bawa
be slandered by every Tom, Jerry and Hank. Leaving these wrong things
on the web as in this post below, make me have to put the record
straight and leave my unmoving meditation of mental equipose...

Talk to the guru, ask for a letter and be done with it.

[bawa]

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
Do you mean personality-cult like the Pope or the Dalaï-Lama ? Bwa bwa
bwa ! Just joking of course, you know me ! Good old joker; all the time
at it. Y'know !

No, something like the 16th Karmapa's dream flag, the Victorious Flag of
Buddha's Wisdom.

Post by bawa
The Ngorpas worship Gepa Dorje, (Kedor), Mahakala (Gompo Gur), Mahakala
(Gompo Tramze), many others too; the Ngorpa are the erudites of
Tantrism.

Erudites? Then maybe a pecha?

Post by bawa
When yo personnally set up in Taipei where I find a house for
you in the hills to avoid the sweltering heat in smmers and stay for a
year so as to get the whole basket of empoerments of the Gyu De Kun
Tus, you, Bev Thornton, will be receiving the most Tantric

empowerments

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
available in one collection on the face of Earth and all this thianks
to the Ngorpas that gathered them in the person of Jamyang Khentze and
passed them down to the school heads in the person of my guru's guru,
Tampa Rinpoche, (Shenpen Nyingpo).

That would be nice and very beneficial, but I don't know if it could
happen. Don't worry about it. Just having teachings happen is all that is
important.

Post by bawa
You will be ther happy recipeint of hundreds of empowerments of deities
from morning to night during a year. Then, dear sir, your's will be the
choice to retreat to retreat and not be heard of for the next half a or
dozen years so that you can

Yes, that would be nice. But I've often wondered, how does it happen? The
only people I have met who have done these things either lived in Bhutan,
China, India, Mongolia, or Nepal, or had some kind of independent support
in order to manage the expenses. I've never even been able to scrape
together the funds for a ticket to Kathmandu and life has always otherwise
intervened. At this point though, I can see that it is all okay, just
fine, because of various opportunities that I have had anyway.
Who knows though? Maybe someday I will get lucky or gain a clue. haha

Post by bawa
a become a fully enlightened Buddha,

hahaha, yeah, but I've got a funny feeling I'm on the sixteen

lifetimes

Post by Bev Thornton
plan and just now only on the second. I don't know, but that's how it
seems to me.

Post by bawa
and b. pass on the various empowements that you have completed the
retreats on and have recited the necessary ammount of mantras of and
obtained the signs of realization of....That will all be thanks to the
Ngorpa school and you will thus have obtained the ongs of hundreds of
deitites, actaully, *all* the deities of all the schools of Tantric
Buddhism without any exception.

How does someone remember all that? 37 in 1 are too many for me, but maybe
someday. 722, I can't imagine, really, I can only try, pretend. How many
are all of them?

Post by bawa
As for the Ngorpas themselves, as I say they're the erudites of Tantrism
par excellence (all the Geliugpa lineages go to the Ngorpas and you can
just see all the lineage tangkas that have red hats at the tops one and
all.) adn they bestow all the empowerments on demand. As for

themselves,

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
they practise many many different deities and not a few as other
schools. Ngorpa lamas practice all the deities : Korlo Demchok, Tamdrim,
(Hayagriva), Dorje Pagmo, etc...They practise all the deities of the
Tibetan pantheon.

They probably teach to people way beyond me. I haven't even been able to
make it to H.E. Jetsun Chimney Luding's teachings who lives only a few
miles from here, under two hours travel.

Post by bawa
Ngorpas are specialists of Tantrism. It is therefore a very secret
school and difficult to enter, a bit like getting into Yale.

There's something that always struck me kind of odd. I've never really
been interested in what is secret, I'm too busy wondering what is obvious.

Post by bawa
Tantrism is such a specialized thing that people are very wary, in
Tibet, about entering the abode of the Tantric sages at Sakya (the main
temple that Ngor comes under, even if Ngor is 80% of the school proper).

Why are they wary?

Post by bawa
In Tibet, few were the people that enjoyed the privilege of

approaching,

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
or even so much as seeing the head lamas of Ngor. They were like the
Pope, enshrounded in a thick entourage of protecting monks, that no one
could bypass to see the Grand Lama.

To me, that seems appropriate. The sooner such monastic systems can be
spread around the globe, the better.

Post by bawa
Being Tantric masters with all the powers of Tantric realization in
their hands, either the one lama or the other, (the four Houses of Lamas
totalling on average four each, there were always about a dozen or more
high lamas either presiding or in waiting in the wings at Ngor) had a
phenomenal level of power and realization and/or enlightenment, so that
people entered Ngor as if they were entering a radiated zone where their
good or bad karma were (in their minds) sure to bake them alive by the
time they managed to get out.

Good thing they were brave enough to go! haha

Post by bawa
(I'm not saying that the lamas were realized but that at least
one of all the laams, at any given time at Ngor, was a highly realized
master and for periods at a time, a fully realized Buddha presided or
resided there, throughout history. And that was enough to totally freak
out the whole people of Tibet. Adressing a totally realized Buddha was
not a good karma to them, unless you were ready to commit a very grave
enfringement of ethics by making some impure deed move, thought,or
speech.)- Ngor was place your average little Tibetan would rather die
than be caught in.

They had a lot of superstition.

Post by bawa
better avoid it and not even come near them. They're bad news; and
going to them is the sign you're in deep, deep trouble already.

Yeah, maybe, sort of. I guess that's how it kind fo seems to me, too.

Post by bawa
For Tibetans, the lamas of Tantric power like the Ngorpas, were people
who would say straight off what your karma was, and could just drop you
dead with a glance if your karma is bad.

Oh, I could go for that.

Post by bawa
That's what Tantrism and the power of the spirit was in Tibet and what
Tantric sages with years upon years of retreat and high

realization

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
were in Tibet and still are today, in the survival of them abroad.

I don't know any well enough to say and can not go by the reports of
others.

Post by bawa
In Tibet, one didin't enter the Ngorpa school, one wa born into it
either by family, region and affinities, or else by being born into a
dynastic kind of thing that was attached to the various houses,
collegial groups, links from previous memebers of the monkhood etc....It
didn't work like the bog Lhassatemples that drew on peple from all over
that wanted to profit of the great financial bonanza of the big
institutions. Ngor was like Yale or the Ivy League where you went to a
place where you were expected and had been arranged for in a
personnalized way, and followed a designated teacher, that was there for
you especially.

I can understand how that could be useful in isolated communities, but I
do not think it is wise to continue following the diaspora. The iron bird
flies.

Post by bawa
Being the second school of Tibet it catered to vast numbers but they
were all given particualar attention and not the herd treatment that the
first school of Tibet got which was like mass education with

throngs of

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
monks in the tens of thousands tha would act like a mob in most cases.

Well, that is the way they do it. 84,000 teachings and all.

Post by bawa
The maximum for Ngor would be the giving of the Lam Dre every year wehn
five thousand monks came there and were ordinated as well at that
occasion. Then it would empty out at year's end just to remain with
five hundred, all the others going home again, mostly to Kham and Gawa,
where Phende Kenchen is from. Gawa was ajust about 100% Ngorpa. Derge
too, had a lot of them.

Does Lam Dre differ from Lam Rim and if so, how so?

Post by bawa
Now only Mustang in Nepal has a strong Ngor contingent with only
Ngorpas in the kingdom.

Ah, that's funny, I've wanted to go there from when I was a child and
first read about it in National Geographic. Lo. 1965. I was seven. I've
never really wanted to go anywhere else, like by just going on a picture
and a story. It's always been my trip of a lifetime dream. I'm

probably

Post by Bev Thornton
too old to ever make it there now, so maybe next time. haha

Post by bawa
It is one gorpa stronghold that no other school has. It's still like
Tibet and is cut off from the world without road or anything. It's a
stragne thing and announced by the visits there thrice of our founder
Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo, and prophecied by hi: for the future. We are in
the future now and my being recognized as Ngorpa by Phende Kenchen and
being the only one in the West is not foreign to the prophecy because
it is prophecied that all of Tibetan Buddhism will be destroyed (as per
the Kalachakra Tantra) so that the Ngorpa tradition being

perpetuated

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
by someone who is not Tibetan, and being done so by a recognition from
a high lama such as Phende Kenchen, is maybe not remarkable, (as I am
not a remarkable one and a blustering non-remarkable at that !) but is
to be noted by it's being unique as no high lama in the world or in
our Ngor school (the descendants of Ngorchen thus...) have thus
exported their lineage to non-Tibetans and I stand alone in this case.

That is why there is no need to worry. There is just practice and working
in the action. So, you have an opportunity to help organize some
important teachings, that is what to put your energy into.

Post by bawa
Thus, if the prophecy is to happen it can only happen in me,

surviving

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
the destruction of it's present form - after it's prophecied
destruction,- or else it won't happen at all and all will be

engulfed

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
into nothing as predicted in the Kalachakra.

Slow down and breathe a little. There is a lot to happen yet. Right now,
just organise the teachings.

Post by bawa
Or else, someone else will be recognized at a high level such as me - in
the West - and will realize the prophecy.

Doesn't matter, nothing to worry about, there's just Dharma to

spread.

Post by Bev Thornton
Rudra Chakrin is a few generations in the future.

Post by bawa
When I look at the people who are now in the Buddhist world and that are
prominent in the international Sangha, I get a funny feeling about
"where they come from" and what their relation is to the Tibetan
hierarchy because they are as often as not outsiders in Buddhism and are
not endorsed or supported in any way by a teacher who would be their
sponsor in the Dharma as all Tibetan religious do.

Yes, well, carry on regardless. Nevermind the bullocks.

Post by bawa
Further one can see that none of them are endorsed or sponsored by the
high lamas of Tibetan Buddhism who choose their faithful candidates
among racailly similar people to themselves. This is a "racial Buddhism"
that can only be condemned in the long term because it goes against not
only Buddhist thought and the march of progress and/or tolerance but
also it follows Tibtean tradition or soemthing remsebling it but goes
completley against the very teachings of Buddha that crossed the line of
such thinking repeatedly, by teaching to one and all over such
distinctions of race, caste, origin etc...I feel funny for the
Westerners but the fault lies not with them but with not fidning the
right lama who has the right thinking and is in accord with the Buddha's
teaching.

There are a lot of bumps and potholes in the road, but the road goes on.
Lineages will expand between ethnic groups and in the future it will not
be a problem and there is nothing any one ethnic group or family can do
about it. The wheels will just turn and guide the vessels as they go.

Post by bawa
Most Tibetan lamas (in India) are scared conservatives, and remain
within the dictates of the society that preach to reamin closed in a
ghetto and not innovetate or go out to see what's going on outside. Thye
high lamas rarley live abroad and only small representatives and lamas
of no rank in Tibet escape and set up shop abroad. Rarely dooes one see
the lamas in place taking up residence abroad. I know of no head of sect
living abroad. They all have their main seat in India.

Yes, well, that is to be expected or accepted. It's not really a problem.

Post by bawa
Phende Kenchen gave up on India and left. The Ngorpas went to Taiwan to
see him; the other lama of practically comparable status to him pleaded
- by offering him the land for free !!! - to please come and

establish

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
his "House" at his monastery, so as to make it a real, legitimate Ngor
(main???!!!!-)temple. More or less forced, he did so. (Not much trafic
over there now, a few years later, eh ! So ? Duh ! A lot of cows, eh !
Sacred Hindu cows; 'must be.)Otherwise, India ? No way ! Apart from him,
no head-lamas abroad. So, finding an open lama of real

international

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
stature and the strong free mind-set that goes with it, and the
independant, intellectually swaggering of an Einstein or Von Braun
genius, out to shoot for the stars, well you'll only get one in a
generation...

Are you sure? I'm not sure. I've never done the math, though. Im not sure
that it matters.

Post by bawa
and I've seen that Westerners in Tibetan Buddhism have sure got a
beating and a run-around for their money, with those gangs out in India.

To me, it seems more like they are families, not gangs.

Post by bawa
I mean, Bev, you may have gone out to India - like me for years - and
you've probably, - like me - gone to think that really, it's a wonder
that I went to all the trouble of putting up with crazies like that for
years without opening my eyes to the reality of human decency before.

No, I never did that. I've never gone for teachings anywhere outside of
Canada and only ever really wanted to go to Nepal, to Mustang,

actually.

Post by Bev Thornton
I've always thought it looked to me like the place to be, that it appeared
attractive.
Buddhists never attracted me to Buddhism. Only Kalachakra and relics of
Arya Sangha did.

Post by bawa
I met Richard Gere once in Dharmasala, where he was in the same cafe as
me and my wife, and he was watching people, and people would kind of
float up to him and chat, and he'd talk to them, and look over their
shoulders at the crowd to see what people were up to. Then he'd walk
down the mountain to his bungalow, with a group of chicks hanging on,
who obviously just couldn't realize their luck. This

multi-millionnaire

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
walking down a monsoon-ravaged road with these hippy-crazies,, amidst
the Himalayas and eating in this disgusting Tibetan dump, well it was
really funny.

haha, it got me laughing. So, it's still funny.

Post by bawa
But the whole scene is like that and it gets worse the further you leave
Dharamsala. Go to South India and see what you feel like after five
hours taxi. Not to mention the twenty four hours of train ! Ha ha ha !
But what compounds the whole thing in fine is that after all those
years, you'd accept it if you'd been working up to something, but you
then realize that for all those are being excluded from the racial
equation is the thing that doesn't jell and will mark Tibetan Buddhism's
end. Mark my word : no one has been recognized at a high level, just
like dozens of high ranking reincarnations are being recognized in India
at present, but none are Westerners.

So such are the conditions of rebirth.
<http://www.fpmt.org/teachers/osel/default.asp>
Myself, Western teachers I have to take with a grain of salt, or I have to
reflect a lot on what is happening regarding the conditions of the
teachings. With ethnic Rinpoches, ones raised into it, I have no problems,
teachings are much clearer for me, there is less obscuration in the
communication. so, at this time, I don't think there is a problem.
However, it really shouldn't continue many generations into the future or
at least that is how I understand what is supposed to occur. So, what does
follow the right path will be what expands across the globe, across
ethnicities, and what remains ethnic and closed will just collapse in
on itself eventually, inevitably.

Post by bawa
And That end of Tibetan Buddhism killed by it's communalism, in it's
exile, the Kalachakra will be there to seal it; as predicted.

Wealth and riches. Don't worry about it. 'Tibetan' Buddhism may be killed,
but Buddhism will survive. Organise those teachings.

Post by bawa
No one has been recognized by the high hierarchy such as Phende
Kenchen's, and such as my recognition.

Penor Rinpoche recognised at least a couple.
<http://www.tara.org/jetsunma.htm>
<http://palyul.org/docs/statement.html>

Post by bawa
(I hope you don't think my Forword and this bit here, is ranting; but
I'm standing on the smoking ruins of Tibetan Buddhism and crowing this
here truth for the world to hear and indeed, *am* at times like a
pork-barrel preacher talking to the man on the street, but I'm also a
bit like St Simon of the Desert [great Luis Bunuel film that

!]standing

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
on a pillar of stone in the middle of the desert and people coming to
feed me so I can keep on living in seclusion - with and - above people
gathering around, by day, alone by night, just me and the stars ! I love
the stars, Bev. Ask Pema, she's my star on the star-spangled banner of
the sky, that I'm watching here.)

You probably could use an editor. A diplomatic one with a great measure of
kindness. Also, more people are likely to read smaller, bite-sized pages.

Post by bawa
A propos, we Ngorpas also practise the Kalachakra. The lama has
it beside his throne, and with Tantric lamas like the Ngorpas,- who are
the holders of all of Tantrism - the symbols of the temple

paintings in

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
their life patterns and karmic set-ups, are more than just chance, but
are the signs of destiny. So, this painting beside his throne is the
sign of the prophecy. Other lamas have this wish only, but none hold
all of the Tantric empowerments as he does, because he is the last to
hold it, (the collection) and when he is dead, there will be no more.
We must obtain them quickly, now.

Yes, so, organise them up.

Post by bawa
Gepa Dorje and all the rest, they're all practised in the Ngorpa
school. Does that answer your question ?

Not really. A deity is inappropriate for a logo. The idea of Ngorpa being
erudite may work. Would a pecha be able to represent that? Or

something

Post by Bev Thornton
else? if so, what?

Post by bawa
Did I digress or what ? Sorry, I just woke up I fell asleep half way
through my post .... Ev woke me up, drivelling on my baby's napkin
there !

It's more interesting to read than the cross-posted fish pond.
--

<http://www.ifaw.org/>

Post by Bev Thornton
A person winnows others' faults like chaff,
but hides one's own faults like a cheater hides bad dice.

Hiya Bev,

It's done : I got my page with the Foreword on a page ! Yippeee !!

It's at : http://geirsmith.org/newpage.html

Only problem is making links to my pages.

They say to select an image or text on the page. But I don't get it. If
I click on the page I get the page "as is", but not on a builder-page
that I could work on. If I highlight it, I just get my AOL server
pop-up. What do they mean by "Select an image or text"?

Am I supposed to run a PageBuilder program ? How do I put my page on
it/ Like when I go to Files Manager, I see my page ("index.html") but
either I click Edit and that takes me to the HTML page, where the page
is in gibberish; or else I just click the name and that gives me the
classic ordinary page with no "building" possibility. Like in my old
AOL thing, I'd click on the special page, where my pages were stocked,
and it'd come up, all ready to be worked on; and I'd double click on
whatever frame (there were about ten frames available)that I wanted to
change, add to or link to. The links were easy too, because I'd
highlight the one I wanted, and press on "link this" and it'd give me a
frame for the HTML adress that I'd just cut and paste from my favorites
or Google...It was simple and understandable even for dummies (me of
course...$ù?) but Geo Coities seems to be catering to people who have
very hidden agendas; and are preparing for WW III. They've forgotten
that 99,99% of the world is made up of simple folks down home, back at
the ranch. Ha Ha Ha ! Lost in France, here. Bye. N.B. What are we
waiting for ? When's the Messiah coming, huh ? Like the Pope's getting
royal funerals, but what comes next after the second (after Islam)
religion of the world goes orphan ? People are getting pretty freaked
now with no one at the helm, and the heritage of John Paul is pretty
freaky too, because he's really cheated on the dice with all the
mistakes he's made : putting the Church in such conservative manners,
that people can't relate anymore. And it'll all come back with a
vengeance, what with all the liberals being rolled back like they were
with him, for twenty-four years. There's going to be a wind blowing to
catch up that'll make the tsunami look like summer fun.

Yup ! People are dying all around now with the old population of the
globe getting so many. So, when it hits the fan all at once, there's no
one left to hold up the structure. Looks like we're heading for a new
age all round. New faces replacing the old guard. The Lamas are sure
getting into gerontological ages too, eh! No future there, unless you
think ten or fifteen years is a "future". I call "a future" when you
speak about twenty, thirty, fifty years at least. I don't make plans
for less than that. I'm fifty this year, and my plans are that sort,
not of the career-end sort. That's too sad, and I have to be realistic,
because Buddhism requires real work, not just makeshift, minor changes.
No cheapo facelifts please. Nope, Buddhism needs a new agenda for the
coming times, and for the new millenium at least. Long live the past;
but also the future ! Not just Buddhism for the dying, which is what
India is, now that they're being gobbled up by the Hindu flood (I
billion fanatical morons, that won't take no for an answer, and don't
talk but shoot first. Tibetans are finished, as a race, and it was
predictable to be so : when you settle in a country ... Foreigners in
the States integrate in a matter of five to six years, and even quicker
when they're younger. So, Tibetans in India, that've been there for
forty-five years, are going all-Indian, as is confirmed by what
overseas Tibetans say : they all speak Hindi together there, and
keeping Tibetan culture going is totally hypothetical, a dream [got
this from the mouth of a high lama - head of the second most
influential school of Buddhism]. It's those who don't go over there to
see it, that think their Shangrila idea of some idyllic Tibetan
survival of the culture there is a true thing : it's not; it's a
mistaken idea and an illusion that they'll snap out of when someone
tells them exactly what I'm saying now.)

Wonder how one puts up links and stuff to one's home-page.

[bawa]

BEV !

Stop everything ! Don't bother. Check out the page : I got it right
with the link-up :

http://geirsmith.org/index.htm�l

Thanks, I got it just about down right now. I'll get back when
something bad happens !!!!

[bawa]

Foreword.

The greatest curse of Humanity must be killing and the greatest killers
of history are France and Germany.

1. One day, Phende Kenchen, the Ngor school's supreme lama and my
master, said to me : "Do you like the French ?" I answered : "No". He
chuckled and said : "I don't either". I'll develop this later. The
French have bad karma and not least ofor the reasons that make them to
be reviled by the whole world, uniformily, which are that they are
joined to the hip to the Gemans, that they are a branch of; the Franks
are from Frankfurt's region that's known as Frankonia ! (�and both
nations are behind the killings of the three last great wars; which
killed most people in the history of the world : enough reason to hate
the French for some time !) They're not liked any better than the
Gemans because they *are* Germans ! People hate that the world over,
and wonder how murderers can pass off to be people of class ! The
French are rightly known as hypocrits, liars and fakes.

2. Otherwise, he stressed, throughout my apprenticeship, the importance
of study and practise saying that the monks that repeated like parrots
only the reading of the texts, without doing meditation and retreats
upon them, were not in the right path and that this brought them
nothing. Thus, even if they are reincarnations, so-called masters, that
give fake empowerments or teachings, cannot claim to realization if
they have not done some retreat upon teachings or deities.

3. He also stressed the evil of sports which Buddha Himself rejected so
strongly in one of the Twelve Deeds of his life, which he did so as to
reject the arrogance of the lazy. Now France, that is the world's
greatest murdering nation along with Germany during the last three
wars, has recreated the conditions to developed national fanaticism and
nationalistic Chauvinism and hatred,(which are developped strongly in
sports) by organizing the Olympics in the future. Fanning the lower
nature of human beings, war and the results of it will never be far
away; Encouraging the low instincts of humans (like in sports that
encourage the idiots in society), no good is obtained and it opens the
door to evil in society and in the future. Sports are a peacetime's
arena for doping, corruption, cheating and decadence developping the
same things as war in peoples' mentalities i.e. agrssivity, arrogance
and distracts otherwise potential candidates for study. And in
exchange, it leaves them crippled : high level athletes are
multiple-injury infirms after their careers. The benefits of the public
egging them on for the pleasure of the viewers is dubious. And the
pleasure of watching people suffer on a sports field is not evident. It
rather displays the bad nature of the whole event. How can people
delight in the suffering of others ? Sports people that don't suffer to
carry out their sport do not exist. Sports that are peaceful do not
exist.

I'll also develop the latter a bit below�

Also�of the three sons of Phende Kenchen, my master, only one has kept
away from worldly acitivites and stayed within the realm of religion by
straying peacefully at his father's temple in France. None of the two
others have and have put their deeds in accord with the ways of the
world rather than the religion of Buddha.

I'll just develop two of the above themes which were : France's worst
karma in the world due to it's being behind the worst wars' killings;
the sons have not carried out any retreats, any of them, - whether it
be the two outside the temple or the one inside it - ; now France is
gearing up for a period of obscurantism and fanaticism like the
previous period lead up to the worst killing wars in Humanity's history
(going to war three times) and both the sons outside the temple are
caught up in worldly thought and not protected from the ordinary
thoughts of impure people. the winds of evil.


1. My lama said he didn't like France or the French. Is it their
agressiveness, their loudness in speaking amonst themselves like birds
chattering ? Is it their inadequacy at speaking abroad and not
mastering foreign languages ? Is it their sickly self-preoccupation and
feeling of being devalued by unjust accusations ? All this came home to
me when you look at France and Germany being, during the last three
wars, the theatre of world's history's worst killings. Those two
European countries are thus marked by the sign of murder, and when one
adresses Frenchmen one is adressing murderers. So that when the
relation goes sour, this is for the best because one wouldn't want to
be in good terms with a murderer, no less than one would want to be in
good terms with the Mafia's hitmen. Being mad at them is the sign one
is on the right side of the fence and they are on the wrong side ; the
side of the barred windows of the prison. And what makes them so mean
is that people aren't openly saying to them that their heritage is
really identical to that of the Germans that they supported by 80%
during the war with a collaborating government. They chose their side
all the way. Like with dice, when the dice fall against you, you lose.

In Buddhism, there are legendary and prophetic accounts that announce
the coming of something resembling the Anti-Christ. I say that the
French are the most "evil-karmaed" people on the planet, along with
their German neighbours, and that the coming Olympics will carry their
sign to the world that all will bear the mark of without exception
throughout the world. Under the guise of Olympics they can convince all
that they are good or at least acceptable people. In Buddhism there is
no Beast or it's Mark, but the Olympics mark such overwhelming
fanaticism among people the world over, that it's evil must be the
mark of the coming of a great evil (France's return to prominence and
thus the past of France, the murderer of most people in the world's
history.) that will be countered by the return to Buddhist goodness
that indeed our texts predict.

Why are the Olympics the greatest symbol of evil to me ? Well, it is so
when associated with evil such was when Hitler organized them in
Berlin. Hitler's Fascist dream (he who was mixed Jewish, his
grandfather having thrown out his grandmother from his service when
she, a maid, fell pregnant.) was that Germans would rule a Germanis
world, but the present most prevalent Fascist countries are the Slavik
countries like Russia that Hitler considered to be non-human, animal,
sub-human. Hitler cmae from a country that had an ever-present Slavik
element, he who lived in Vienna that had a 30% Hungarian population.
They are mixed Slavik and Hun in origin, the Hun origin being the
Central Asian race of the Mongols. Hitler acknowledged the Hun origin
of the Germans though (which they share with the Hungarians thus and
shouldn't see the latter as "animals" thus if logic is to be obeyed)
because this was the Aryan origin from India or Asia that he dreamed so
loudly and so hatefully about. What the Germans and Austrians mostly
wanted to keep at bay was the non-Aryan, sempitic people of the south
that menaced the empire they had established with the Habsburgs for a
thousand years. This southern menace was from the people of non-Aryan
extraction meaning the people from Black Africa, the Semitic Middle
East because these soutereners menaced the Habsburg Empire continually
and made them weak by infiltrating elements of tolerance towards them
inot it's midst through the various people making up the Turkish Empire
that was at their doorstep and that they has their everyday dealings
with.

Hitler's enemies were thus the Semitic people of the South of the
German realm and or course the Blacks although this never really arose
in his mind as Blacks never even appeared to him as existing or
existing as humans at least. He must have been as the Australians that
officially included the aborigenese as fauna rather than "population"
until the '80s.

Hitler really considered Mongol or Asian peoples as Aryans and
worshipped them which was in direct contrast to Blacks or Semitic
people. How Hitler reconciled Jesus being Semitic and Jewish must have
been like doing Yoga with one's principles of racial ideas coming in
front of one's face at times but apprently he thought it all balanced
out. Maybe he knew what he thought and nobody understood it. In ay case
France chose Hitler's side in the last war but also the German side in
most wars, particulary the ones that killed most in world-history,
during the last wars.

The Olympics are the sign of the greatest evil in the world because
they are the absolute opposite of religion. The humility of
relinquishing all wish to win of religion and to give way to the will
of others so as to act in accord with them without harming anyone, this
is all swept away by the violence and arrogance of sports. Sports are
well-known to be close to Fascism. In France the World Football Cup
unleashed fanaticized mobs onto the streets creating a popular emotion
close to what happened after WW II when Allied troops came into Paris.
But this time it was to hail the victory of the home team. This was
thus not a humility fest but the exact opposite : a celebrating of
values of communalism, self-worshipping and hatred for the losers that
have been trodden underfoot and vanquished.


What I say is that, on the scale of Evil, the countries of France and
Gemany hold a no-contest record of evil in this world (they truely are
responsable for most killings, more than any nation in the world's
history, as compared to all the worldwide nations of all time, and no
one disputes this as fact.).

I would have no exchange with the French except that in the course of
my Buddhist apprenticeship, they have occupied a place that it is
necessary to make a note of. Our school is founded by Ngorchen Kunga
Zangpo who is predicted to be the Second Buddha whose teaching will
therefore be the same as that of the historical Buddha Sakyamuni in
extension throughout the world. Now France has been negative to the
extension of the master's teaching that is the sole extension of
Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo's teaching in the world today. The only other
lama of our school has established in India from where he never leaves
and no one goes there so my master is the only presence of our school
in the world today.

Several evil conditions thus contributed to the failure of the mission
by my lama to spread successfully, the teachings of Ngor through France
to the world. There's first of all the stupidity of the French that are
unable to occupy an international position for lack of an educated
status and just play bit-parts on the international scene since many
years now. France's intrinsicial nature is basically to carry it's
terrible past with it. Now with the Olympics the triumph of chauvinism
is again getting ready to fill the streets just as it did during WW II
and thus repeat the shame and errors of the past like a sick dog
returning to it's infested rug that further makes it sick again. The
triumph of French nationalism along with that of Germany, - joined at
the hip as sister nations (which they always have been through
thousands of years, practically always united in one nation) - will
again pit it in warfare against the world just as it has for the last
three wars : this is the spirit that the Olympics are propiciating and
that will come forth like the evil genius that it is.

On top of the national socialist (Nazi) basic and intrinsical nature of
France, that it espoused to the ratio of 80% during the last war and
that brought to power it's extreme right government, France has also
got other evil circumstances that have hindered our school from finding
ground to flourish on in it. France has now gotten a women's movement
that completely betrays the ideals of Buddhism and the word of Phende
Kenchen, my master. In our Ngor school in Tibet, women were not even
allowed into the monastery so that them now putting their noses into
Ngor's affairs is laughable at best, if it weren't too sad in fact, in
reality. Here are some examples of it's evil effects that start with
chose of France, chose of the Olympics and then chose of feminism
within the tradition of Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo that was foremost in
going so far as forbidding women to so much as enter the monastery of
Ngor in Tibet (thus, speaking about women one sees what one is up
against in terms of discipline and rigour as concerns Ngor and it's
monastery) :

This horrific past of France and responsability in the killings
throughout the last two centuries comes to the fore as a reminder with
the Olympics as these will be a moment of alienation from religious
messages, being the ego-fest they are and being the triumph of
arrogance and ignorance ( foresigns of the Olympics were already
announced by the coming to France of the World Football Cup and it's
delirious feast of arrogance and pride akin to that of war and total
madness. Being exhilarated with oneself to the point of drunkness is
not [it is it's absolute opposite - no religious virtue is to be found
in wanting to win and suffering therefore - religion is aleviating
suffering; not creating so unnecessarily - sports is a vain and useless
activity - the fest of vanity] the humility of religion). Between the
litres of beer they drink, the hollering and fighting with opponents,
nothing can be more alien to religion in the world. The total loss of
control over oneself is the contrary of religion that is the mastery of
oneself at it's finest while losing oneself is ignorance at it's
strongest. At least in peacetime, sports is the most alien thing one
can find to religion. War alone can be more so but that's in wartime,
and develops the same ignorance as in sports : blindly pitching oneself
against the other side. Sports injure gravely : high-level athletes are
all injured without exception, even if they try not to show it openly.
They sustain extremely serious injury and also use doping drugs and
make use of forbidden substances continually, acquired through the same
circuits as drug-dealers do. Athletes take cocaine, morphine and the
same precise things as dru-addicts. Actually athletes *are*
drug-addicts. This is the most adverse activity to develop in any
society because it opens the door to corruption and crime and
introduces countless beings to the sinful world of sports, drugs,
corruption, injury, illness and lying, deceit, etc�WHether it be in war
or peacetime, France knows how to act (and act badly - actiing in the
most terrible manner in the world) seeing it has been the theatre with
Germany of the world's worst killings in all of the world's history.

So, as "Beast", France is in the forefront of opposing a spreading of
the Buddhist message. Indeed, my master Phende Kenchen came to France
to spread the message of his tradition, that is prophecied to be the
teaching ofthe Second Buddha, as Kunga Zangpo, our school's founder, is
known as the Second Buddha.

In the forefront of his teachings' opposing are then the women of
France and particularly the so-called disciples of Phende Kenchen. This
will irritate womens' liberationers, but if they are so, they must just
say so. Above being French, above the waste that will be accrued by the
Olympics devastating France and Europe, the obstacle par excellence of
the spreading of the teaching of Kunga Zangpo, has been from the start
women, and particularly women in the West. We could call this the
WWONKZ (or "Wonkz"..the "Women in the West Opposing Ngorchen Kunga
Zangpo")syndrome. They are much much worse than any Beast or It's
Mark, which are dwarfed by them. They are thus the epitome of evil in
our times and the modern woman must be stopped just as Ngrochen forbid
women to enter Ngor in Tibet. To wit, the details of the reproachs
leveled at them :

My master's name has not been written on the cover of the translation
that he made of the major work of our school, the LamDre, apart from in
small script, at the bottom, and only as having been written under his
"direction" by him. The name of another, the dead author of the
original, is said to be the author. My master is the author, not anyone
else despite what anyone says and writes on the cover. This wrong deed
was due to the women in the West.

Another instance of women lacking in respect to him was his son being
sent to the mountains to become a ski-instructor against his, my
master's, insistant refusal. He vocally asked me to intervene, which I
did, but this not giving any reprieve I revert now to going public
about this and revealing to the whole public sphere the things going on
behind closed doors and behind thebacks of the master and his many
disicples themselves that are not informed about this. The present text
is thus an eye-opener to the discples and an embarrassment to our whole
temple in showing to the whole world the sad state of affairs within
and the deceit and betrayal that erligion has eben the object of by
women in the West. It shows how low down the Buddha's Dharma (teaching)
has fallen after being chased from Tibet. The work started by the
Chinese was really finished by the West - that was not a haven to it -
instead, it was a dead-end street and ensnared it. Women told Tibetans
that they would be welcomed to the West and enticed to come there but
there they were betrayed and fooled. Then they were robbed of their
heritage and left for dead. By this text I'm giving life back to the
corpse of Tibetan Buddhism that the women of the West opposed to
Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo have killed.

Further let me say, concerning the lama, that knowing that his son was
exposed to zero temperatures in his job is and was very painful to him.
How can one understand that any mother would wish her son to have a
work thats in inhuman conditions ? How can one wish Siberia on another
? This lack of human feeling is simply not understandable. It is not
Buddhist for sure, because Buddhists are kind, and also obey the lama,
which, neither of them, evidently are the case here, in this matter.

A third instance of disrespect of women to Phende Kenchen is that in
the case of this son, he is a recognized reincarnation and to oppose
the lama about him is to undermine his choice of him. I don't say this
because I also have been recognized by him, but opposing the lama's
choice of his son is throwing discredit on him as an authority to
recognize reincarnations in general which is his prerogative and role
as Ngor's head-lama. As there is no other authority apart from Phende
Kenchen, and that women have no role within the monastery of Ngor,
undermining him is counter-productive to women and akin to undermining
the authority that has given them all their power.

This has nevertheless come about for the family of Phende Kenchen. This
must come from ignorance, or blindness or just plain idiocy. There are
things that even an enlightened Buddha, like Phende Kenchen, cannot
master such as the unfolding of the evil karma of others. In any case,
the problems of women attacking the authority of Ngor were resolved in
Tibet, seeing they were just forbidden there.

But the irony is that the result is self-defeating. The harm is done to
only the lama's own family so the loss is their's and what the lama
loses is the loss of his close ones too.

The only thing left is void and emptiness. Confronted with this
systematic opposing from women Phende Kenchen has had to leave to the
East where his teaching is approved of and respected, and not least so
by Oriental women, that don't show aggressive and anti-Buddhist
attitudes such as those of Western women. The net result to Western
women has been Phende Kenchen's purely and simply abandoning the West
to it's own devises, and leaving so as to continue his mission in
Taiwan. Indeed, Western disciples are so that there is no possibility
to teach to and for them to progress.. The superior results of teaching
in Taiwan makes it counter-productive to remain in the West for the
lama apart for his summer-stays.



Turning the son away from the religious path was not right because that
son particularly has signaled earlier his openness to religion as he
said once that he wanted to do "his father's job" and thus be a lama.

But now France has such an evil karma that both the lama and I will not
be in this country in the future as I want to organize the Gyu De Kun
Tus teaching in Taiwan in 2006. And the fate of the son of the lama
will be sealed by this publishing on the Internet and by the people
needing this information reading it. Thus, people who will be
interested in going to Taiwan can do so, seeing they will have had full
information about the goings-on in the temples of our Buddhist group
around the world, through this writing.

The reincarnation recognition that the lama has made must not be
reneged upon and denied by making that reincarnation-person get caught
up in things that the lama disapproves of. Indeed, authority is with
him, not with women. Without him, women in the West or anywhere are
nothing. Not in terms of religion, I mean. Ngor didn't accept women to
so much as enter Ngor. Attacking the lama's authority now in France is
useless because the forbidding of women has been bypassed simply for
forty-five years now, but still underlies the whole tradition of this
school. Attacking the lama only reinforces the uslefullnes of the rule
against women that existed in the past and tightens the noose of
allowance that has prevailed since the fall of Tibet. Even if the rule
is not enforced in the world in general, the theory is still as strong
in it's virtuality.

Opposing the destiny of the son is opposing a reincarnation. This son
was recognized by Phende Kenchen when he was still a small boy.
Opposing this son's fate is opposing Phende Kenchen's decision to
choose this child to practise religion. Thus, opposing this decision is
to undermine Phende Kenchen's &authority directly. His decisions must
be respected and if he recognizes a reincarnation, no one within his
following can take the liberty to oppose him. This is central to the
Tantric path of Buddhism that bases all on the respect of the master.
Thus, opposing decisions of the lama concerning his recognized
candidates is not acceptable and is a grave infringement of Buddhist
Tantric code. Women have not abided by this code. One must obey not
only the lama's person but also his decisions and the people that he
has chosen to represent such as reincanrations. They are his choices
and are thus representative of him. It is especially unacceptable that
it be done by people who are not reincanrations themselves and Ngor
cannot have women recognized as reincarnations as the monastery of Ngor
in Tibet could not have female heads seeing it is purely a male
monastery. In Buddha's Buddhism, it is predicted that that the
preserving of the monastic rule was the symbol of Buddhism and when it
was done away with, it would mark the end of Buddhism. Women are doing
their earnest best in the West to do away with all of monastic rule and
furthermore so in Ngor that had the most strict rule of all of Tibet.
Attacking Phende Kenchen is attacking Buddha's Doctrine too.

They are thus the main obstacle to the coming of the prophecied Return
of the Second Buddha, Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo. France has seen the defeat
of this mission, in a land of the most gruesome killings in the history
of the world. This guresome pride driven madness is reviving big-time
with the Olympics coming to France. The main defeat of Buddha's
mission in France and the world has been with it's opening up the gates
of it's direction to Western women and this must change now.

Mad doomssayers may say that France, the Olympics and Western Women
opposing Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo are the "end of times" Triad, but not
me. I just say that they are the only obstacles to the coming of the
Second Buddha Ngorchen. I also say that they are major evil obstacles
on the top of the scale of Evil of the whole wide world and of the
history of Humanity unparallelled anywhere, any time or anyhow. I just
don't involve in doomssaying madness and just look at things from the
small end of what I've personally seen during my experience. Thus, I
only talk about what I've seen to be the fact without actually thinking
about it's overall meaning. My only goal is to bust the problems that
crop up along the way without going out of my way to create or worry
about things that don't even exist. There are enough things going
wrong, not to create others.

As for Oriental women I won't level any blame at them in this matter
because they have showed consistant devotion and respect towards Phende
Kenchen. None of the things put to Western women to be blamed for are
to be to Oriental women. They have shown good bahaviour on the contrary
from what I have seen their way of their manners.

Ngor will not open to women right away because it's past is not of
such disposition but the faith shown by them in Asia is very good on
the other hand and is to be lauded most highly. Phende Kenchen is very
happy with his disciples in Taiwan and the Chinese countries. On the
other hand he has stopped going to India. This has proved fruitless.

For memory's sake here are the three things tha can be criticized of
women in the West : 1. the refusing to write the master's name on his
book; 2. refusing to heed his refusal to have his son sent to become a
ski-instructor and 3. affronting the sonwomen, are affronting a
reincarnation recognized by the lama and this amounts to affronting his
decisions and thus directly attacking and underminign him. This is
neither in the lama's interest nor in the interest of the attacker, the
women, and thus not productive and counter their won interest; and thus
idiotical. By attacking him, women are counter-productive both to lama,
lama's family and ultimately to the attacker (the Western Woman)
herself.


I don't know if France is the Beast of the Bible and the Olympics it's
Sign, but there can be no greater obstacle to the pure doctrine of
Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo, in the world today, than Western women; and
extrapoling this, no other greater Anti-Christ figure than women. They
are evidently out to destroy the doctrine of Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo and
Phende Kenchen's ministry of it. There are all sorts of theories that
Anti-Christs are of one sort or another. Some think the Beast is modern
technology, and/or the internal combustion engine. Others think it to
be American imperialism and Israel, while still others think it's other
things.

But I, myself, oppose women in the West, as they are a particular
obstacle to the Buddha Dharma, and so to the point of publishing on
Internet, the following text that will sum up these points of
dissension in the telling of my own years as a Buddhist disciple told
in autobiographical style.

I love women, and particularly so as this is the centre of Tantrism.
Sexuality is the main point of Tantrism and it's only path to
Enlightenment, followed by all the Buddhas of the three times to attain
fully enlightened Liberation.. But when confronted to the particular
points of contention mentionned above, I have to balk and say
something. I have to make this clear statement on this Internet because
of that. Great scholars of Buddhism know the importance, that is
unchallenged, of sex in Tantrism and in such, the importance of women.
So, I've started this site's main-page with a collection of
sex-iconographies of Tantrism, so that people that criticize my stance
concerning women will be quelled completely. Monks are not the
solution to Buddhism's future, it's that all respect their masters.
Women not respecting men, and particularly the master, is a downfall
that they cannot live with. It is the essnce of the Tantric Path. As
Birwapa said : "Moral vows are the essence of the path" ! The vows and
morality in the relationship to the guru is necessary and has been
badly damaged by women now so that presently, the only way is to
enforce restrictions for them in the relationship to the master. The
restrictions that were enforced at Ngor, and kept women outside it, are
now to be enforced in whatever way is necessary so that the integrity
of the Doctrine of Ngorchen Kunga Zangpo be preserved. The main
obstacle to it being women, they have to be kept away from creating
schisms within the group and undermining the lama and his authority.

[bawa]

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The winds of change are on in the area of the Gyu De Kun Tus and

my

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site about getting it organized. It's that the content of my site

is

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not contested as I champion Phende Kenchen and the respect of his
authority and this is tough to swallow for women's lib here in

France.

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That's why it's moving : because the French are not educated
internationnally and they have to translate my whole site which

is

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a

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big task for them. They're thus going through their death-throes in
translating it slowly and circulating copies among themsleves and

by

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the time they get the lead-slugs in their system it's too late to

react

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seeing the site's already been up and running for near to a month

now.

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So, the Gyu De Kun Tus championned in the site is getting near to
becoming a reality... but the process goes through all those who
contested Phende Kenchen croaking off (This is an example

particularly

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of what the French take months to get translated because they can't
find "croaking" in their dictionnaries !!)

The site has been upgraded with a new end to the page illustrating

the

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strategy of going to Taiwan to organize and making a group of

people

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to

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do it. The beginning of the organization will be to set up lodging

for
organizing

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the empowerment for many. Later it will be receiving the

teaching....

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while possibly also still being part of the organization, an added
merit and privilege. This is thus a path of service to Humanity that
will not survive without preserving it's spiritual Tantric

tradition.

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Great maledictions are to be forecast in case of losing it....

without

Post by Kalachakrapa
receding into catastrophistical thinking. The Gyu De Kun Tus
empowerment has never been given by Phende Kenchen since leaving

Tibet

Post by Kalachakrapa
and has only been requested officially (for this highly important and
lengthy ceremony that lasts over a year [Phende Kenchen received it
over a three-year period himself]) and that was by the former Karmapa
who wanted to organize it in Sikkim. Before the vast amounts of lamas
and monks to be gathered for it, and the tough times that the early
refugees were facing, Phende Kenchen dissuaded his childhood

friend,

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
Karmapa, from going forth with it. So now is the time, the time of
great and meaningfull destiny : the time of accomplishing the

prophecy.

Post by Kalachakrapa
Contact me as is indicated on the site and we can start our
preparations that must not wait. Phende Kenchen is entering his
seventies and the time is now and not later. Hurry for the hours are
few and the need is great ! This is thus also the path of

fulfilling

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
the prophecied times of the Kagyus, of the Ngorpas and also of the
other Buddhists, who require these empowerments, so as to continue
their destinies as descendants of the Tantric Buddhism of Tibet, and
without which there *is* no tradition of Tibet per se. It is

courageous

Post by Kalachakrapa
to go out to Taiwan and organize a massive empowerment of one

thousand

Post by Kalachakrapa
people approximately, so only the brave-hearted should come with me.
But it is a worthy challenge and the work of a lifetime. It is the
work that Buddhists predict will save the world. Be glorious and save
your tradition, and through that the whole of Humanity. Just as

seeing

Post by Kalachakrapa
emptiness in one dharma, makes one see it in all, likewise, by saving
oneself in one's tradition, one can also benefit others, and
pregoressiveley include all into that. I need people out there with

me

Post by Kalachakrapa
and a group of half a dozen should enable to make it happen. Count
yourselves and all we need will show up on the way. Trust he Three
Jewels and it will happen ! Nothing is impossible to the

stout-hearted.

Post by Kalachakrapa
To quote the French : "To the valiant heart nothing is impossible" !
This is the same in Buddhism. Courage makes force. Geir Smith.
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html

Seeing it'll be difficult for people to stay so long in Taiwan (six to
ten months to really get all the organizing done) people will maybe
rather just come on out for a month or so. We can get a big house that
can act as the hostel for everyone, housing fifty. Inside, we'll have a
core of half a dozen regulars and the rest passing through. All
together we'll do good work though. We need the first sponsors to start
things off and then we'll get the last ones on the way. The people who
have received the empowerment will, for the most serious of them, need
to go into retreat and they'll need sponsors too, so this is all part
of the job for now.
Questions about travelling and all other topics can be adressed to the
groups board : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NGORPATULKU/
Bye. Geir Smith. Get the ball rolling ! Cowards !

New updates on cults on my site : Steven Seagal.

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcults2.html

He tries desperately in Duh!-style to adress what people think about
him and whether he indeed, is a fraud, and no holy-man that someone
had the whimsical idea to declare him to be.

[bawa]

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
The winds of change are on in the area of the Gyu De Kun Tus and

my

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
site about getting it organized. It's that the content of my site

is

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
not contested as I champion Phende Kenchen and the respect of his
authority and this is tough to swallow for women's lib here in

France.

Post by bawa
That's why it's moving : because the French are not educated
internationnally and they have to translate my whole site which

is

Post by bawa
a

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
big task for them. They're thus going through their death-throes in
translating it slowly and circulating copies among themsleves and

by

Post by Kalachakrapa

Post by bawa
the time they get the lead-slugs in their system it's too late to

react

Post by bawa
seeing the site's already been up and running for near to a month

now.

Post by bawa
So, the Gyu De Kun Tus championned in the site is getting near to
becoming a reality... but the process goes through all those who
contested Phende Kenchen croaking off (This is an example

particularly

Post by bawa
of what the French take months to get translated because they can't
find "croaking" in their dictionnaries !!)

The site has been upgraded with a new end to the page illustrating

the

Post by Kalachakrapa
strategy of going to Taiwan to organize and making a group of

people

Post by bawa
to

Post by Kalachakrapa
do it. The beginning of the organization will be to set up lodging

for
organizing

Post by Kalachakrapa
the empowerment for many. Later it will be receiving the

teaching....

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
while possibly also still being part of the organization, an added
merit and privilege. This is thus a path of service to Humanity that
will not survive without preserving it's spiritual Tantric

tradition.

Post by Kalachakrapa
Great maledictions are to be forecast in case of losing it....

without

Post by Kalachakrapa
receding into catastrophistical thinking. The Gyu De Kun Tus
empowerment has never been given by Phende Kenchen since leaving

Tibet

Post by Kalachakrapa
and has only been requested officially (for this highly important and
lengthy ceremony that lasts over a year [Phende Kenchen received it
over a three-year period himself]) and that was by the former Karmapa
who wanted to organize it in Sikkim. Before the vast amounts of lamas
and monks to be gathered for it, and the tough times that the early
refugees were facing, Phende Kenchen dissuaded his childhood

friend,

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
Karmapa, from going forth with it. So now is the time, the time of
great and meaningfull destiny : the time of accomplishing the

prophecy.

Post by Kalachakrapa
Contact me as is indicated on the site and we can start our
preparations that must not wait. Phende Kenchen is entering his
seventies and the time is now and not later. Hurry for the hours are
few and the need is great ! This is thus also the path of

fulfilling

Post by bawa

Post by Kalachakrapa
the prophecied times of the Kagyus, of the Ngorpas and also of the
other Buddhists, who require these empowerments, so as to continue
their destinies as descendants of the Tantric Buddhism of Tibet, and
without which there *is* no tradition of Tibet per se. It is

courageous

Post by Kalachakrapa
to go out to Taiwan and organize a massive empowerment of one

thousand

Post by Kalachakrapa
people approximately, so only the brave-hearted should come with me.
But it is a worthy challenge and the work of a lifetime. It is the
work that Buddhists predict will save the world. Be glorious and save
your tradition, and through that the whole of Humanity. Just as

seeing

Post by Kalachakrapa
emptiness in one dharma, makes one see it in all, likewise, by saving
oneself in one's tradition, one can also benefit others, and
pregoressiveley include all into that. I need people out there with

me

Post by Kalachakrapa
and a group of half a dozen should enable to make it happen. Count
yourselves and all we need will show up on the way. Trust he Three
Jewels and it will happen ! Nothing is impossible to the

stout-hearted.

Post by Kalachakrapa
To quote the French : "To the valiant heart nothing is impossible" !
This is the same in Buddhism. Courage makes force. Geir Smith.
http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/Geirsbiohtml.html

Seeing it'll be difficult for people to stay so long in Taiwan (six to
ten months to really get all the organizing done) people will maybe
rather just come on out for a month or so. We can get a big house that
can act as the hostel for everyone, housing fifty. Inside, we'll have a
core of half a dozen regulars and the rest passing through. All
together we'll do good work though. We need the first sponsors to start
things off and then we'll get the last ones on the way. The people who
have received the empowerment will, for the most serious of them, need
to go into retreat and they'll need sponsors too, so this is all part
of the job for now.
Questions about travelling and all other topics can be adressed to the
groups board : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NGORPATULKU/
Bye. Geir Smith. Get the ball rolling ! Cowards !

New updates on cults on my site : Steven Seagal.

http://pageperso.aol.fr/kalachakrapa/bustcults2.html

He tries desperately in Duh!-style to adress what people think about
him and whether he indeed, is a fraud, and no holy-man that someone
had the whimsical idea to declare him to be.

[bawa]

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
I'm waiting for the Karmapas or some of their hords to post on the
groups board above http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NGORPATULKU/

too

Post by Bev Thornton

Post by bawa
for the nitty-gritty details : like who gets the bed next to window for
the empowerments at the future temple etc....

And who gets the highest cushion?
Last night I went to hear Ngari Rinpoche speak and it made me feel
strange because it was in a university lecture hall and all the
listeners were above the lecturn.

Bev, this is in Vancouver :

http://tinyurl.com/5e4ws

[Bev Thornton]

Post by bawa
http://tinyurl.com/5e4ws

Yeah, that's where I live, Vancouver, aka Lotusland.

There's a huge shrine room going up in nearby Richmond and H.E. Jetsun
Chimey Luding's son just struck it rich. So maybe there will be a newv
monastery too. Sure would be nice if a stupa went up on the top of one
of the mountains.